I got an ad recently on chatgpt for asking a question regarding bleach. The recommended product in the answer wasn't the same as the ad though. Ad was also at the bottom. Wondering how long before they go the Google route, and show top 5 links with ads before answering anything.
OpenAI ad partner now selling ChatGPT ad placements based on “prompt relevance”
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#102Fuck. Time to end my 12 month subscription streak if this shit becomes as bad as feared
What's left?
Also, why isn't someone doing a Folding-At-Home sort of distributed AI thing yet?
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#103The most surprising thing to me is that they're partnering with third parties to do this. Less secure, lower margins (more middlemen taking fees), harder to access, more likely to not work properly. I would expect all the meta execs they've hired to know better so maybe I'm missing something...
It makes sense to me. You pay extra but you just plug in into a framework that already works. It's also easier to drop the potato if it gets hot.
It's just surprising, since it's objectively better to own the platform, and the company has a mind boggling amount of money, and allegedly coding agents capable of 10xing developer output. Why would they not be able to do it in house? It shouldn't be a capacity or capability issue.
That makes me think it's just another higher level money game, and there will be some weird investments in which neither company does anything of material value in exchange except spin some number wheels.
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#104What a sad path to see such a bright star going down. I guess it’s not a huge surprise, but it really does paint a bleak picture of technology to see how narrow the range of likely outcomes is. Doesn’t matter if you built the foundation for the future and cured cancer - the most likely outcome is being back to optimizing for engagement and revenue.
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#105The most surprising thing to me is that they're partnering with third parties to do this. Less secure, lower margins (more middlemen taking fees), harder to access, more likely to not work properly. I would expect all the meta execs they've hired to know better so maybe I'm missing something...
This approach makes a lot of sense. Advertising is a marketplace and this is a great way to bootstrap advertising inventory. Its inevitable they will allow advertisers to manage ad spend directly through OpenAI but right now the product is too new to capture meaningful ad budget. This way they can begin testing delivery and develop proof points around ROI and build towards larger ad spend directly.
ChatGPT has more web traffic than X, Reddit, Bing... Crazy to say they wouldn't be able to capture meaningful ad budget. IMO partnering on this is a blunder.
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#106What a sad path to see such a bright star going down. I guess it’s not a huge surprise, but it really does paint a bleak picture of technology to see how narrow the range of likely outcomes is. Doesn’t matter if you built the foundation for the future and cured cancer - the most likely outcome is being back to optimizing for engagement and revenue.
Welcome to late stage capitalism.
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In what way would that be securities fraud? I guess you could get nailed under Section 17(a), but really hard to make a case they're defrauding investors by representing they were going to make ads worse performing than they ended up making them. In order for it to be securities fraud it has to be tied to a securities transaction and the misstatement has to be material to a reasonable investor's decision.
Because everything is securities fraud: https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-06-26/everyt...
it's not securities fraud if investors make a lot of money
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#108The shocking thing is that it's taken this long to happen, right?
Theyre desperate to meet those lofty revenue objectives they put in their spreadsheet model. Its kinda comical seeing this play out. I still laugh at the deluded fools who think something even close to AGI is here or coming in the future. If that were true, why haven't we seen genius plays from OAI and Anthropic, progressively over-time, if intelligence rises as compute scales up? If anything we are seeing the opposi…
The "A" in "AGI" doesn't stand for "Apocalypse", you know.
It made some sense as a goalpost when the frontier of "AI" was "a computer plays, specifically, Go really well", now that typical ones are quite general it's just a floating signifier people should probably stop using for anything.
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Maybe someone with more time at hands could look up what Google said with respect to ads and what happened later. This is one of the rare instances where it's very easy to predict the future: the prompt auction market will look similar to the existing online ad market, financial firms will pay for prompt streams for sentiment analysis, companies and interest groups will pay to have their products or agenda included f…
And how much trust are you going to have with your model results that they haven't been transformed and adjusted by advertising priorities? search engine results do this all the time, reordering output by advertiser input. its a pretty small jump from that to rewriting output from models, and even better where its all a black box.
>And how much trust are you going to have with your model results that they haven't been transformed and adjusted by advertising priorities?
None.
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Surely you jest? The software industry is in its current sorry state because of multiple generations of human developers happily producing an endless stream of shady features.
I have a theory, that the "FANG" companies pay such high salaries in compensation for making those devs implement shady features that are harmful to everyone except the bottom line of the company.
The joke here is that the majority of FAANG engineers are actually doing anything but saying "I'm blocked on" every week.