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German police name alleged leaders of GandCrab and REvil ransomware groups

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Re: German police name alleged leaders of GandCrab and REvil ransomware groups

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Post by ffsm8 »

lovich wrote: post #91
Aurornis wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This does seem close to the original intent of "doxxing", where information ("dox") is publicized that connects a real-world identity to a previously anonymous online persona. These are hackers in the classic sense who were going out of their way to stay anonymous. The dilution of the word doxxing has been interesting, though. Some of the recent "doxxing" controversies have been about figures who weren't all that ano…

Beyond diluting it also seems that people are increasingly under the impression that internet rules are also the same in real life. I’ve been seeing it come up in discussions about court cases where people are under the belief that requiring online personalities real names in the court documents is somehow illegal because it’s doxxing.

It's just the usual millennials and zoomers finding out that their fantasies aren't actually how the world works

Most of us grew up on the Internet, and consequently our world view is incredibly screwed and not particularly based on facts

Re: German police name alleged leaders of GandCrab and REvil ransomware groups

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Post by randomNumber7 »

tokai wrote: post #28
kgeist wrote: post #6

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Found his record in Russia's official company registry. This is what he officially does as an entepreneur: 56.10 — Restaurant activities and food delivery services 47.23 — Retail sale of fish, crustaceans, and mollusks in specialized stores 47.25.12 — Retail sale of beer in specialized stores 47.25.2 — Retail sale of soft drinks in specialized stores 47.29.39 — Retail sale of other food products in specialized stores…

> 56.10 — Restaurant activities and food delivery services That one is a classic for russian criminals and warlords.

This has nothing to do with russia. All over the world it's an obvious choice to use it for money laundering.

Re: German police name alleged leaders of GandCrab and REvil ransomware groups

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Post by butlike »

embedding-shape wrote: post #44
usrusr wrote: post #38

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And if the police actually catches the accused and puts them in jail, is that kidnapping? Most verbs have far more semantics than just the most basic before/after state diff.

Well, no, kidnapping is unlawful abduction. But abduction is always abduction, regardless of who does it, police can abduct people too, but when criminals do so, we call it kidnapping, since it's illegal. Not sure what point you were trying to make, but I think it failed to land properly.

The point is the outcome and magnitude of "kidnapping" and "abduction" are the same, so it's not fair people are treated differently if the terms are virtually synonymous. The impact is the same. If it was a truly just system, the people in power would subscribe to the same rules they codify into law.

Re: German police name alleged leaders of GandCrab and REvil ransomware groups

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Post by mikkupikku »

a2800276 wrote: post #94
mikkupikku wrote: post #81

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And if the state kills somebody without the cover of a legal pretext, it's called an "extrajudicial killing" rather than a murder. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extrajudicial_killing#United_S...

More to the point, if the police or whoever shoot someone in self defence, that someone is "killed". If I, or the police shoot someone for fun, it's "murder". In both cases the victim is "killed"

True, self defense isn't called murder. But if the government drone strikes an American citizen without a trial or anything, that's "extrajudicial killing", not murder.

Re: German police name alleged leaders of GandCrab and REvil ransomware groups

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Post by Barrin92 »

krono wrote: post #73
moomin wrote: post #24

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Yeah, I’m not okay with this. Doxxing is a term with an extremely negative connotation and is often done to people who, bluntly, weren’t hiding or doing anything wrong. The correct term for the same act here is either “accuse” or “unmask”.

So it is doxxing if the doxxed committed wrongdoings from the perspective of... the doxxer? Ideals, morality, alignment, goals and purpose are and have always been a static constant for all humankind. There is no pineapple pizza, it is a lie, for I don't like it, and therefore nobody else ever did either.

doxxing is a term that is commonly reserved for private information that the doxxed individual has an expectation to be treated as such, that is to say, it's not in the public interest.

Someone who breaks the law and is actively searched for obviously has no expectation of privacy, or do you think the people visiting Epstein's island were doxxed?

Re: German police name alleged leaders of GandCrab and REvil ransomware groups

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Post by perlgeek »

alistairSH wrote: post #69

How is "this is the name of the formerly anonymous extortionist" doxxing? Unless there's something not covered in the article, his current address, family members, phone, etc were not listed. That's not doxxing; that's "here's a guy were want to arrest."

It seems to me that the meaning of the word "doxxing" has slowly drifted to mean "revealing information about somebody without their consent", be it by state actor, a company or an individual.

BTW, what do you think will happen when people find out that their neighbor is secretly a pretty wealthy criminal? Attempts of theft, robbery and extortion have happened in the wake of such announcements.

There was even a case where somebody attempted to impersonate an intelligence officer and try to force a recently doxxed cyber criminal to bribe them.

Re: German police name alleged leaders of GandCrab and REvil ransomware groups

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Post by tokai »

randomNumber7 wrote: post #102
tokai wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 56.10 — Restaurant activities and food delivery services That one is a classic for russian criminals and warlords.

This has nothing to do with russia. All over the world it's an obvious choice to use it for money laundering.

Yevgeny Prigozhin was well known for his restaurants and catering businesses.

Re: German police name alleged leaders of GandCrab and REvil ransomware groups

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Post by perlgeek »

randomNumber7 wrote: post #100
Sharlin wrote: post #57

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Semantic shift happens over time. A 2026 article is supposed to communicate to 2026, not 1996, readers.

Germany is a bit backwards.

Wut? The headline is from Krebs on Security, not from the German authorities.

Re: German police name alleged leaders of GandCrab and REvil ransomware groups

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Post by lovich »

ffsm8 wrote: post #101
lovich wrote: post #91

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Beyond diluting it also seems that people are increasingly under the impression that internet rules are also the same in real life. I’ve been seeing it come up in discussions about court cases where people are under the belief that requiring online personalities real names in the court documents is somehow illegal because it’s doxxing.

It's just the usual millennials and zoomers finding out that their fantasies aren't actually how the world works Most of us grew up on the Internet, and consequently our world view is incredibly screwed and not particularly based on facts

I grew up on the internet but early enough that the phrase “the internet isn’t real life” was bandied about, which I think made it easier to understand the different set of rules existing.
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