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Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by sophrosyne42 »

delusional wrote: post #89
sophrosyne42 wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regulating the companies also socializes the costs of implementing age verification measures. The correct solution that does not do this is to put liability on the parents.

Liability? You want to make give parents fines for their children accessing Facebook at a young age?

No, I am just saying what policy will allow the legislators to achieve their goals.

So if your goal is for the state to decide what is good or bad for children, then yes, giving parents fines when their children access 18+ content will motivate those parents to parent their children. That will be an effective way to achieve your goal. Other policies have issues with externalities (ignoring the inherent externalities of creating liabilities ex nihilo, which will exist no matter what policy you choose).

If you believe that parents should get to decide what content their children, then like me, you would oppose any kind of legislation with this goal in mind.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by FpUser »

WJW wrote: post #72
brightball wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not if you’ve paid attention to political trends for the last 15 years. Everything is happening at the same time in every country. It’s clearly being coordinated.

Well obviously? It's literally being broadcast in the news when diplomats talk to each other. What do you think they are talking about if not policy discussions?

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Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by [deleted] »

delusional wrote: post #89
sophrosyne42 wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regulating the companies also socializes the costs of implementing age verification measures. The correct solution that does not do this is to put liability on the parents.

Liability? You want to make give parents fines for their children accessing Facebook at a young age?

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Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by Waterluvian »

uniq7 wrote: post #93
Waterluvian wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Other people’s kids aren’t your problem until they grow up and form a deeply unfit electorate and their country, representing less than 5% of the world population, makes an absolute mess of everything. Then they become everyone’s problem.

Today's electorate is unfit. Is it also because they had TikTok when they were children? Or are they unfit because they consumed fake-news and QAnon-like content as adults? If it's the latter, how is age verification supposed to help here exactly? Since you are asking me to give away my privacy under this promise, I'm interested in the details.

I didn’t say that, nor do I think these nonsense laws help. But “not my problem” is also nonsense.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by alpaca128 »

pocksuppet wrote: post #70
wewewedxfgdf wrote: post #2

Age checks are 1 million times worse than cookie verifications.

That's interesting that you think whether someone is over 18 is a million times worse privacy invasion than their exact location, full name, browsing history, and date of birth. Can you substantiate why that is?

The former will be mandated by law, the cookie law requires a way to opt out. Why would you not prefer avoiding a privacy violation over a guaranteed one that is smaller...for now?

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by sophrosyne42 »

EarlKing wrote: post #51
nerdsniper wrote: post #3

I adore their courage. I assume they feel prepared to mount a legal defense? It would seem silly to be this forward about willful noncompliance if they're just hoping to stay under the radar. I can't tell if this is driven by impulsive pettiness with no real plan for how to mount a legal defense, or if they're engaging in a clear-minded legal mission. > Ageless Linux is a registered operating system under the definit…

The truly aggravating part is that if they really wanted to thumb their noses at the Attorney General's office and get away with it there's a pretty straightforward way to do it: Fork every single project they want to offer through their operating system and thereby become a first-party developer-distributor thereof. AB 1043 is worded in such a way that it really doesn't apply if the operating system developer doesn'…

They argue that they are a coverd application store.

'Definition: "Covered Application Store" '"Covered application store" means a publicly available internet website, software application, online service, or platform that distributes and facilitates the download of applications from third-party developers to users of a computer, a mobile device, or any other general purpose computing device that can access a covered application store or can download an application. — Cal. Civ. Code § 1798.500(e)(1) 'This website is a "publicly available internet website" that "distributes and facilitates the download of applications" (specifically: a bash script) "to users of a general purpose computing device." We are also a covered application store. Debian's APT repositories are covered application stores. The AUR is a covered application store. Any mirror hosting .deb files is a covered application store. GitHub is a covered application store. Your friend's personal website with a download link to their weekend project is a covered application store.'

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by rorylawless »

brightball wrote: post #45
nextos wrote: post #14

Something remarkable and unsettling is how the age verification debate has popped up almost simultaneously in the US, UK, and EU. With the same logical fallacies. Pretty telling about how transnational lobbies and their interests work. Controlling what children do online is a solved problem: Parenting and parental control applications.

It’s not if you’ve paid attention to political trends for the last 15 years. Everything is happening at the same time in every country. It’s clearly being coordinated.

The simpler explanation is that we live in a world that is more connected than ever so politicians, campaigners and the rest can get policy ideas almost instantly. There is no grand conspiracy, just a smaller world.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by [deleted] »

mschuster91 wrote: post #100
jiggawatts wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meta, a multi-national corporation, seems to be behind all of these. See: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1rshc1f/i_traced_2_b... https://www.reddit.com/r/LinusTechTips/comments/1rsn1tm/it_a...

And the groundwork was laid by very well connected think-of-the-children evangelicals, transphobes and sex-work-phobes over years . Never forget this. Meta just added nitromethane fuel to a raging fire.

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Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by amarant »

matthewfcarlson wrote: post #19
kykat wrote: post #9

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The API seems like a funny joke anyway, `sudo setage 12987123`, done.

Oh nice! I’ve been wanting to ask someone of your age, how was the Middle Miocene Climate Optimum?

The climate was optimal. Everything else was kinda mid tbh.
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