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US- and Greek-owned tankers ablaze after Iran claims 'underwater drone' strike

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Re: US- and Greek-owned tankers ablaze after Iran claims 'underwater drone' strike

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Post by Jtsummers »

gzread wrote: post #36
toyg wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These people live on manufacturing crisis after crisis in order to exploit the manic status that they generate. Why worry about how the midterms, if you can create a situation where elections cannot be held at all...? Yes, it sounds crazy right now, but a lot of things sounded similarly crazy 10 years ago, and here we are.

I heard a theory that since someone told Trump that Ukraine wouldn't hold elections until after the war, he thought America had the same law.

He has lived through multiple wars where elections were held. I do not think highly of the man, but he would have to be pretty bad off to come to that belief.

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Post by 1234letshaveatw »

epistasis wrote: post #60
VK-pro wrote: post #7

One of the self-owns of all time. Triggering a global supply chain crisis right before midterms is bottom of the barrel strategy. But then again, who expects competency from any recent American administration, most especially this one?

The Biden administration was actually extremely competent, handled global inflation after the pandemic and Russia's war fairly well relative to peer nations, and set US manufacturing on course to provide us with all the batteries, solar panels, and EVs to prevent oil crunches like this from causing future inflation. I expect more competency from US Presidential administrations, and also expect more competency and ind…

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Post by cloche »

technothrasher wrote: post #76
chinathrow wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That piece of technological advance has gone mostly under the radar (!) so far The Ukraine would like to have a word.

FYI, "The Ukraine" is politically charged wording held over from Soviet times, and implies that it is part of Russia. The independent country is known simply as "Ukraine".

How do you explain "back in the USSR"?

Re: US- and Greek-owned tankers ablaze after Iran claims 'underwater drone' strike

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Post by piva00 »

dizlexic wrote: post #23
VK-pro wrote: post #7

One of the self-owns of all time. Triggering a global supply chain crisis right before midterms is bottom of the barrel strategy. But then again, who expects competency from any recent American administration, most especially this one?

Depends, I just want to point out that the US is a net exporter of Oil. They also secured oil imports from Venezuela while at the same time in 2 strokes seriously hurt Chinese oil imports. If the goal was to hurt China / BRICS and kneecap Iran it seems on point. It's always hard to predict how the USA will vote when "war" is happening.

> If the goal was to hurt China / BRICS and kneecap Iran it seems on point.

While also hurting Europe, South Korea, Japan, the Philippines, and many more. Very on point...

It will hurt everyone, Americans included, oil is a global market, fertilisers are a global market, those are basic inputs for probably every single thing produced in the world.

So now all of us around the globe have to pay the price for American Imperialism, compounded by the complete shattering of the USA's soft power as an ally, this will only create more animosity against the USA from all sides. Very on point.

But the USA oil industry can make a buck until everything buckles, or perhaps the USA admin will introduce price controls like in the 1970s, that worked very well too.

Re: US- and Greek-owned tankers ablaze after Iran claims 'underwater drone' strike

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Post by dizlexic »

bootsmann wrote: post #65
dizlexic wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends, I just want to point out that the US is a net exporter of Oil. They also secured oil imports from Venezuela while at the same time in 2 strokes seriously hurt Chinese oil imports. If the goal was to hurt China / BRICS and kneecap Iran it seems on point. It's always hard to predict how the USA will vote when "war" is happening.

Oil markets are global, you cannot hike prices for China while enjoying cheap oil yourself.

Unless china is importing sanctioned oil from.... Iran, Russa, and Venezuela at discounted rates.

I think this has been the crux of many allegations against China. They don't operate fairly in global markets.

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Post by realo »

VK-pro wrote: post #7

One of the self-owns of all time. Triggering a global supply chain crisis right before midterms is bottom of the barrel strategy. But then again, who expects competency from any recent American administration, most especially this one?

But where are the Epstein Trump documents?

Someone really hopes you forgot about them...

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Post by skywhopper »

lesuorac wrote: post #87
malfist wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no crisis in the US that results in canceled elections

We're talking about the same guy that sent a second slate of electors for the 2020 election. The same guy that told the government of Georgia to add 10,000 votes to his total so he'd win. The same guy that received 0 punishment for either action. Why wouldn't he try something for the mid-terms?

Yes, and Georgia refused. American elections are a lot more complicated than you seem to believe. There’s plenty to worry about in specific locations, but the federal government has no direct control over any of the voting processes or policies.

Re: US- and Greek-owned tankers ablaze after Iran claims 'underwater drone' strike

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Post by johncolanduoni »

dizlexic wrote: post #23
VK-pro wrote: post #7

One of the self-owns of all time. Triggering a global supply chain crisis right before midterms is bottom of the barrel strategy. But then again, who expects competency from any recent American administration, most especially this one?

Depends, I just want to point out that the US is a net exporter of Oil. They also secured oil imports from Venezuela while at the same time in 2 strokes seriously hurt Chinese oil imports. If the goal was to hurt China / BRICS and kneecap Iran it seems on point. It's always hard to predict how the USA will vote when "war" is happening.

Just because the US won’t literally run out of oil doesn’t mean the economy (or populace) will be unaffected by a supply crunch. As everyone in the country can already see when they go to fill up their tank.

Re: US- and Greek-owned tankers ablaze after Iran claims 'underwater drone' strike

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Post by DesaiAshu »

p-o wrote: post #11

Why did we have to go through all this pain. Was that really necessary? And given we mostly talk about technology here, let me put this through that lens: With all the technology advancement and improvement with access to information in the last 30 years, why does it feel that all of this culminates to more disinformation, more pain, and less understanding?

Technology is at the mercy of our social and financial systems, it rarely leads social advancement. As with other tools, it can be used in many ways

In surveying my friends in Silicon Valley, it seems that most VCs/techies know that: 1. This administration is likely leading us into long term wars and social instability 2. American Dynamism and Defense Tech (or more politely bundled into "DeepTech") are war profiteering, benefiting from greater instability

Speaking / acting out against the American military complex and Big Tech/VC's role in this carries 3 big risks: 1. Not being invited to parties ("too much negative energy, we want to be surrounded by positivity" or "don't talk politics") 2. Censorship and reduced following across most major social media platforms 3. Being economically left out as the world bifurcates into a K-shape economy

As a result, most of my community (generally peace-loving, music-loving humans) seem to be either taking a position of "the world has always been at war and will always be at war, I'm just a realist" or "I'm just going to focus on my locust of control and my personal wellbeing" or "if it's gonna happen anyways, I might as well make money off of it". There is a strong contingent of the resistance as well (still fighting for climate, social justice, peace) but much higher rates of depression and social isolation in this group

So it does not seem to be a problem that can be solved by more information and more technology (though k-12 and higher education assuredly is worth investing in), but perhaps by less nihilism and a stronger social/moral fabric

A big reason I am considering starting a company again is that we need more flags of institutions that carry large weight/reputation and stand for a set of values that is different than the current (and historical) status quo. I expect most of my community would be thrilled to align with those flags if those flags where held up tall and broke through the noise

Which is to say, if you're considering setting up one of those flags, please please do. The world doesn't have to be this way.

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