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Bluesky CEO Jay Graber is stepping down

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Re: Bluesky CEO Jay Graber is stepping down

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Post by alterom »

fritzo wrote: post #61
jrm4 wrote: post #32

Doomed from the start. It took me a while to figure this out, but ATProto is generally a bad idea; maybe even worse than Twitter. Which is to say, it provides a more robust model for your (true) information and data to be exploited by others than even the Twitter model. The Mastodon-slash-email model that relies on individual servers is better because decentralization is safer -- Those models bear more genuine "abili…

The community has voted for convenience over privacy, and twitter and bluesky have won over mastodon. You're right, but people don't actually care about privacy

>You're right, but people don't actually care about privacy

The entire point of a platform like Twitter / Bluesky is reach, not privacy.

Posts and discussions there are meant to be public, and highly visible.

It's not that people don't care. It's that this is not what the platform is for.

What's important for a platform like that is not even anonymity, but functional pseudonymity.

And that thing is on its way to the effectively outlawed with the push for "age verification".

People do notice it and leave [1], but at some point, there might be no place to go to.

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/1rmlzhy/welp_goodb...

Re: Bluesky CEO Jay Graber is stepping down

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Post by verdverm »

AirMax98 wrote: post #90
verdverm wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

no sir, never gonna do crypto social media

Fun fact: under the hood atproto bears many similarities to blockchain... it was funded in during the 2019/2020 crypto craze. I'm not too involved, but outside of a consensus mechanism, atproto looks a bit like a chain, kinda like IPFS.

I'm very deep into ATProto development, in particular I have the first Permissioned PDS implementation [1]. It definitely has roots in blockchain / federated, but makes tradeoffs for UX.

The more interesting perspective is a Plug-n-Play Distributed System [2]

[1] https://github.com/bluesky-social/atproto/compare/main...ver...

[2] https://atproto.com/articles/atproto-for-distsys-engineers

Re: Bluesky CEO Jay Graber is stepping down

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Post by simonw »

snapetom wrote: post #80
SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're thinking of mastodon, and even that had a lead: https://www.theregister.com/2025/11/19/mastodon_ceo_steps_do...

I'm not going to speak for OP, but I definitely remember it also being a rallying cry for Bluesky too. "No one person can control the network blah blah blah"

That's not at all incompatible with Bluesky having a funded company with a CEO.

The term they use for this is "credible exit" - designing the entire protocol such that if the company itself misbehaves the affected users can leave to a separate instance without losing their relationships or data.

Re: Bluesky CEO Jay Graber is stepping down

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Post by NoahZuniga »

Zak wrote: post #86
jrm4 wrote: post #32

Doomed from the start. It took me a while to figure this out, but ATProto is generally a bad idea; maybe even worse than Twitter. Which is to say, it provides a more robust model for your (true) information and data to be exploited by others than even the Twitter model. The Mastodon-slash-email model that relies on individual servers is better because decentralization is safer -- Those models bear more genuine "abili…

The Mastodon model does not offer much ability to delete. Well-behaved servers will honor delete requests, but the protocol doesn't mandate it. Additionally, a user cannot generate delete requests if they get banned from their server or the server shuts down. Users and server admins can't control whether another server permits archiving of their content. Mastodon and other fediverse software allows following public p…

But at proto is equally open? You can also just save all of at proto.

Re: Bluesky CEO Jay Graber is stepping down

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Post by jeromegv »

small_model wrote: post #72
haunter wrote: post #52

If you follow live sports then Twitter is still unparalleled because people (and broadcasters too) upload highlights in near real time. Every event, goal, home run, crash etc.

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Elon Mush has introduced political biais in the algo, not all opinions are worth the same when you have a white suprematicst at the reign.

Re: Bluesky CEO Jay Graber is stepping down

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Post by parl_match »

CactusBlue wrote: post #100
parl_match wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> user-antagonistic communication could you provide some examples? i didn't really see this, but maybe i just missed it

https://techcrunch.com/2025/10/05/waffles-eat-bluesky/

I don't like Jesse Singal's work or his political positions (he fucking sucks!), but this is hardly antagonistic except to maybe a small group of terminally online posters who take posting too seriously.

Although, I guess that is the audience bluesky was targeting when they first started. So I guess I understand the criticism.

Also, it is a very ironic demonstration of the pancakes/waffles meme. Interjecting into an unrelated topic to ask the mods to ban someone you don't like is a tradition as old as dial up BBS. So I'm glad to see the torch is being carried forward to a younger generation.

Re: Bluesky CEO Jay Graber is stepping down

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Post by dutchCourage »

small_model wrote: post #72
haunter wrote: post #52

If you follow live sports then Twitter is still unparalleled because people (and broadcasters too) upload highlights in near real time. Every event, goal, home run, crash etc.

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Musk is openly and heavy handedly messing with the recommendation algorithm to fit whatever views he wants to push. On top of that, he started paying people for their viral tweets, which promotes content farms and rage bait.

It is not a place that is trying to showcase diverse opinions in an unbiased way.

Re: Bluesky CEO Jay Graber is stepping down

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Post by jeromegv »

rvz wrote: post #41
DiabloD3 wrote: post #13

Huh, I guess betting on Mastodon winning was the right bet.

What did Mastodon win exactly? Threads being the biggest Mastodon instance and federating with mastodon.social (Meta signed contracts with instance maintainers to do so) and the other 3 largest instances (Pawoo, baragg (d_o_t) net, and mstdn (d-o-t) jp) taking up more that >70% of the total users using it? That doesn't sound good. The CEO sold all of us out and was the only one that made real money on Mastodon.

In what world did the Mastodon CEO made money out of Mastodon beside the small public salary he's been taking? You are making things up.

Re: Bluesky CEO Jay Graber is stepping down

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Post by CactusBlue »

pfraze wrote: post #38

This move came from Jay so that she could focus more on the atproto ecosystem and forward looking development. Personally, I'm happy for her. The CEO role gets extremely wrapped up in operations & org building, and as a technologist I'm not sure it would be for me. I've met with Toni a couple of times and he seems really excellent. He was CEO of Automattic (Wordpress) from 2006 to 2014, and that means a fair amount o…

We don't need "open" networks (Digital Panopticons), we need private networks.
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