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Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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The current hype around agentic workflows completely glosses over the fundamental security flaw in their architecture: unconstrained execution boundaries. Tools that eagerly load context and grant monolithic LLMs unrestricted shell access are trivial to compromise via indirect prompt injection. If an agent is curling untrusted data while holding access to sensitive data or already has sensitive data loaded into its c…

could you share that study?

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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So what is a "claw" exactly? An ai that you let loose on your email etc? And we run it in a container and use a local llm for "safety" but it has access to all our data and the web?

There are a few qualitative product experiences that make claw agents unique.

One is that it relentlessly strives thoroughly to complete tasks without asking you to micromanage it.

The second is that it has personality.

The third is that it's artfully constructed so that it feels like it has infinite context.

The above may sound purely circumstantial and frivolous. But together it's the first agent that many people who usually avoid AI simply LOVE.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Does anyone know a Claw-like that: - doesnt do its own sandboxing (I'll set that up myself) - just has a web UI instead of wanting to use some weird proprietary messaging app as its interface?

https://yepanywhere.com/ But has no Cron system. Just relay / remote web UI that's mobile first. I might add Cron system to it, but I think special purpose tool is better / more focused (I am the author of this)

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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I don't understand the mac mini hype. Why can it not be a vm?

I don't know but I'm guessing that it's because it makes it easy to give access to it to Mac desktop apps? Not sure what's the VM story with Mac but usually cloud VM stuff is linux so it may be inconvenient for some users to hook it up to their apps/tools.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A Mac allows it to send iMessage and access the Apple ecosystem.

Really? That's it?

Ehh, not “it” but it’s important if you want an agent to have access to all your “stuff”.

macOS is the only game in town if you want easy access to iMessage, Photos, Reminders, Notes, etc and while Macs are not cheap, the baseline Mac Mini is a great deal. A raspberry Pi is going to run you $100+ when all is said and done and a Mac Mini is $600. So let’s call it. $500 difference. A Mac Mini is infinitely more powerful than a Pi, can run more software, is more useful if you decide to repurpose it, has a higher resale value and is easier to resell, is just more familiar to more people, and it just looks way nicer.

So while iMessage access is very important, I don’t think it comes close to being the only reason, or “it”.

I’d also imagine that it might be easier to have an agent fake being a real person controlling a browser on a Mac verses any Linux-based platform.

Note: I don’t own a Mac Mini nor do I run any Claw-type software currently.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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IMO the security pitchforking on OpenClaw is just so overdone. People without consideration for the implications will inevitably get burned, as we saw with the reddit posts "Agentic Coding tool X wiped my hard drive and apologized profusely". I work at a FAANG and every time you try something innovative the "policy people" will climb out of their holes and put random roadblocks in your way, not for the sake of actual…

> every time you try something innovative the "policy people" will climb out of their holes and put random roadblocks in your way This is so relatable. I remember trying to set up an LLM gateway back in 2023. There were at least 3 different teams that blocked our rollout for months until they worked through their backlog. "We're blocking you, but you’ll have to chase and nag us for us to even consider unblocking you"…

I think you should read "the Phoenix project."

One of the lessons in that book is that the main reasons things in IT are slow isn't because tickets take a long time to complete, but that they spend a long time waiting in a queue. The busier a resource is, the longer the queue gets, eventually leading to ~2% of the ticket's time spent with somebody doing actual work on it. The rest is just the ticket waiting for somebody to get through the backlog, do their part and then push the rest into somebody else's backlog, which is just as long.

I'm surprised FAANGs don't have that part figured out yet.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do we always have to come up with the stupidest names for things. Claw was a play on Claude, is all. Granted, I don’t have a better one at hand, but that it has to be Claw of all things…

The real-world cyberpunk dystopia won’t come with cool company names like Arasaka, Sense/Net, or Ono-Sendai. Instead we get childlike names with lots of vowels and alliteration.

Except Phillip K Dick calls the murder bots in Second Variety claws already so there's prior art right from the master of cyberpunk.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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I wonder how long it'll take (if it hasn't already) until the messaging around this inevitably moves on to "Do not self-host this, are you crazy? This requires console commands, don't be silly! Our team of industry-veteran security professionals works on your digital safety 24/7, you would never be able to keep up with the demands of today's cybersecurity attack spectrum. Any sane person would host their claw with us…

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