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Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Microsoft have a goal that states they want to get to " 1 engineer, 1 month, 1 million lines of code. " You can't do that if you write the code yourself. That means they'll always be chasing the best model. Right now, that's Opus 4.5.

It is kind of funny that throughout my career, there has always been pretty much a consensus that lines of code are a bad metric, but now with all the AI hype, suddenly everybody is again like “Look at all the lines of code it writes!!” I use LLMs all day every day, but measuring someone or something by the number of lines of code produced is still incredibly stupid, in my opinion.

it's still a bad metric and OP is also just being loose by repeating some marketing / LinkedIn post by a person who uses bad metrics about an overhyped subject

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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And probably running on their macbooks...

True story: a lot of the Microsoft engineers I interact with actually do use Apple hardware. Admittedly, I onto interact with the devs on the .NET (and related technologies) departments. Specifically WHY they use Apple hardware is something I can only speculate on. Presumably it's easier to launch Windows on Mac than the other way around, and they would likely need to do that as .NET and its related technologies are…

One of my friends is a program manager in MS, I think he requested a Macbook but was denied, was given a Surface instead.

He didn't dislike it, but got himself a Macbook nonetheless at his cost.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Microsoft never got that memo. They still measure LoC because it’s all MBAs.

Fuck is there a way to have that degree and not be clueless and toxic to your colleagues and users.

No man, it's in the title, master bullshit artist

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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You won't regret. I have been using debian for last 25 years on and off and for last 8 years non stop. I have no complains.

Unfortunately it'll take time for certain companies to release their applications on Linux distro's. So right now I manage with WSL2 + Win 11.

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Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is kind of funny that throughout my career, there has always been pretty much a consensus that lines of code are a bad metric, but now with all the AI hype, suddenly everybody is again like “Look at all the lines of code it writes!!” I use LLMs all day every day, but measuring someone or something by the number of lines of code produced is still incredibly stupid, in my opinion.

I believe the "look at all the lines of code" argument for LLMs is not a way to showcase intelligence, but more-so a way to showcase time saved. Under the guise that the output is the/a correct solution, it's a way to say "look at all the code I would have had to write, it saved so much time".

The line of code that saves the most time is the one you don't write.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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I wasn't making an argument. It was a prediction that all major software, (including the major linux distros) will eventually be majority (>50%) AI generated. Software that is 100% human generated will be like getting a hand knitted sweater at a farmers market. Available, but expensive and only produced at very small scale.

On what reasoning do you make this prediction? Just because corporations are mandating their employees to use AI right now does not mean it will continue.

Any new software developers entering the field from this point on will have to know how to use and be expected to use AI code-gen tools to get employment. Moving forward, eventually all developers use these tools routinely. There will be a point in the future where there is no one left working that has ever coded anything complex thing from scratch without AI tools. Therefore, all* code will have AI code-gen as all* developers will be using them.

* all mean 'nearly all' as of course there will be exceptions.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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I try GitHub Copilot every once in a while, and just last month it still managed to produce diffs with unbalanced curly braces, or tried to insert (what should be) a top-level function into the middle of another function and screw up everything. This wasn’t on a free model like GPT 4.1 or 5-mini, IIRC it was 5.2 Codex. What the actual fuck? Only explanation I can come up with is that their pay-per-request model made…

You're not using the good models and then blaming the tool? Just use claude models. Copilot's main problem seems to be people don't know how to use it. They need to delete all their plugins except the vscode, CLI ones, and disable all models except anthropic ones. The Claude Code reputation diff is greatly exaggerated beyond that.

What, 5.2 Codex isn’t a good model? Claude 4.5 and Gemini 3 Pro with Copilot aren’t any better, I don’t have enough of a sample of Opus 4.5 usage with Copilot to say with confidence how it fares since they charge 3x for Opus 4.5 compared to everything else.

If Copilot is stupid uniquely with 5.2 Codex then they should disable that instead of blaming the user (I know they aren’t, you are). But that’s not the case, it’s noticeably worse with everything. Compared to both Cursor and Claude Code.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Microsoft have a goal that states they want to get to " 1 engineer, 1 month, 1 million lines of code. " You can't do that if you write the code yourself. That means they'll always be chasing the best model. Right now, that's Opus 4.5.

Microsoft went from somewhat good in Windows 7 to absolute dog shit in approximately 10 years.

So with this level of productivity Windows could completely degrade itself and collapse in one week instead of 15 years.

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