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Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by raincole »

p1anecrazy wrote: post #87
iLoveOncall wrote: post #18

Europe will never have competitive offerings until they pay their employees the equivalent of what FAANGs pay. If you work for GCP or AWS in Europe, you'll easily get twice as much income as if you do the exact same job for Hetzner or OVH. You can't build equivalents to GCP and AWS without paying the same. I work for a FAANG right now in Europe and I wouldn't consider even a single second any European cloud provider…

Be the change you wish to see. If professionals like you join European companies it will help grow their business and offer competitive salaries.

~30% salary cut isn't a change many people wish to see.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by jopsen »

elygre wrote: post #79
atmosx wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Comparing EU cloud providers to AWS is like comparing a 1963 Zastava to 2025 high end BYD because both of them are cars and can drive from point A to point B.

I think it’s more about the absolutely stripped model vs the loaded one. The basic services are more or less the same, but the hyperscalers provide hundreds of services where smaller providers have only ten.

Some of those services are utter crap though..

This is just my opinion, but there are some services that just package software as VM and let's you spawn it with a fancy button, leaving you with a largely unmanaged instance.

There are other services like S3, BigQuery or SQS that feels like magic.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by casper14 »

blell wrote: post #67
preisschild wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Unelected EU bureucrats" Clearly shows you have absolutely zero idea about what you are talking about and just take your talking points from people like Elon Musk

Educate us, tell us when did we vote for the commission and the likes of von der Leyen. (If your answer is "you didn't vote for it, but you voted for someone who voted for someone who voted for it in a secret ballot" I am going to chuckle)

Do Americans vote for the supreme court or the chair of the fed?

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

#104

Post by Black616Angel »

9dev wrote: post #91
bambax wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We already have excellent cloud providers in Europe. But most importantly, most businesses using the cloud would be better off with simple on-prem solutions. So much cheaper to operate and control.

> So much cheaper to operate and control. Until you factor in the salaries of the new employees you have to hire now, the cost of that hiring process, the compliance and security implications of operating servers on your premises, the ongoing maintenance of the software and operating systems, the new infrastructure to maintain, including but not limited to backup power supply and overall redundancy, the need to manag…

But you can rent on-prem servers in some datacenter near you where all that is done for you.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by iLoveOncall »

embedding-shape wrote: post #34
iLoveOncall wrote: post #18

Europe will never have competitive offerings until they pay their employees the equivalent of what FAANGs pay. If you work for GCP or AWS in Europe, you'll easily get twice as much income as if you do the exact same job for Hetzner or OVH. You can't build equivalents to GCP and AWS without paying the same. I work for a FAANG right now in Europe and I wouldn't consider even a single second any European cloud provider…

> Europe will never have competitive offerings until they pay their employees the equivalent of what FAANGs pay. Stop focusing on the absolute number of "$/year", and things will make more sense. Seemingly you'll be able to live a more lavish life in Spain given 1/4 of the salary compared to FAANG, yet your life is better and you can afford more. Higher salaries aren't always better, especially when you're almost wil…

I'm not comparing European salaries with American ones, I'm comparing salaries paid by American cloud providers IN EUROPE with salaries paid by European cloud providers.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by retinaros »

europe is doing well enough to hinders freedom. we don't need america for that. just at the moment in france they voted law to restrict social media from teenagers. that will require ID for loging onto websites. one can already guess whats the next step. the minister in charge of this already mentionned trying to ban VPN like in north korea.

European governements WILL take your data from "sovereign" clouds

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

#108

Post by embedding-shape »

mgh95 wrote: post #94
embedding-shape wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Europe will never have competitive offerings until they pay their employees the equivalent of what FAANGs pay. Stop focusing on the absolute number of "$/year", and things will make more sense. Seemingly you'll be able to live a more lavish life in Spain given 1/4 of the salary compared to FAANG, yet your life is better and you can afford more. Higher salaries aren't always better, especially when you're almost wil…

> Higher salaries aren't always better, especially when you're almost willfully ignoring more important things like purchasing power and quality of life. Senior SWE salaries I'm finding in a quick google search in Spain are 80k eur. According to levels.fyi [1] Google (and presumably the other clouds) are paying 170k eur. The comparison isn't even "is 4x the salary better in the US?" it's "is 2x the salary better in t…

Again, by focusing solely on the salary you're missing the bigger picture. I know y'all are conditioned to just focusing on the salary, but there is so much more to life.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by iLoveOncall »

p1anecrazy wrote: post #87
iLoveOncall wrote: post #18

Europe will never have competitive offerings until they pay their employees the equivalent of what FAANGs pay. If you work for GCP or AWS in Europe, you'll easily get twice as much income as if you do the exact same job for Hetzner or OVH. You can't build equivalents to GCP and AWS without paying the same. I work for a FAANG right now in Europe and I wouldn't consider even a single second any European cloud provider…

Be the change you wish to see. If professionals like you join European companies it will help grow their business and offer competitive salaries.

That's absolutely not how any of this works.

If they can get top talent for half the salary they won't suddenly start paying more.

There is only one solution: EU governments heavily subsidize those European cloud providers which enables them to offer top salaries and therefore attract top talent.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

#110

Post by raincole »

blell wrote: post #67
preisschild wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Unelected EU bureucrats" Clearly shows you have absolutely zero idea about what you are talking about and just take your talking points from people like Elon Musk

Educate us, tell us when did we vote for the commission and the likes of von der Leyen. (If your answer is "you didn't vote for it, but you voted for someone who voted for someone who voted for it in a secret ballot" I am going to chuckle)

And when did Americans vote for the director of FBI? Chair of the Fed? The local judge who can sign a warrant permitting the police to rummage your house?
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