Sadly the EU leadership is a bunch of professional bureaucrats living in a comfy bubble completely disconnected with the people or reality.
Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native
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Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native
#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
Its past political. I work in energy now, and we host stuff in AWS. So far so normal. However, with the tubthumping about invading greenland, We see that america is willing to evaporate any system that gets in the way of the sun king's world view. Sure, he says now that "we were never going to invade" but given the way you've all just given up your 1st, 4th, 10th and now 2nd amendment, we're not really that sure. Thi…
Also to your point: "can't we just encrypt it?" Its someone else's computer. The TPM is controlled by someone else. You can't really process on a machine that has a compromised urandom/TPM Also the bigger issue is having all your access revoked over night. Thats the bigger fear.
Exactly - it's about availability. If someone with remote access could knock out your business operations, how long would it take to adapt? How much economic cost could that incur, perhaps at a critical time?
Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native
#33I think reductionist opinions about the "Free market" and price competition being the only factor are naive. Culture and trust are major components of a project, and cultural sensibilities and development culture can be a part of procurement decisions.
I worked for a company that chose Tresorit over any other option because it gave them Data Sovereignty, E2E encryption, and most important, it was not American.
There is intrinsic value in being "Not made in America" and data sovereignty is a major issue for a lot of organizations. Just as an American company would be concerned about storing their data in China, the rest of the world is/should be concerned about storing their data in the US.
Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native
#34Europe will never have competitive offerings until they pay their employees the equivalent of what FAANGs pay. If you work for GCP or AWS in Europe, you'll easily get twice as much income as if you do the exact same job for Hetzner or OVH. You can't build equivalents to GCP and AWS without paying the same. I work for a FAANG right now in Europe and I wouldn't consider even a single second any European cloud provider…
> Europe will never have competitive offerings until they pay their employees the equivalent of what FAANGs pay.
Stop focusing on the absolute number of "$/year", and things will make more sense. Seemingly you'll be able to live a more lavish life in Spain given 1/4 of the salary compared to FAANG, yet your life is better and you can afford more.
Higher salaries aren't always better, especially when you're almost willfully ignoring more important things like purchasing power and quality of life.
Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native
#35Thus is probably more about the EU having access to eu data than not having the US have access to EU data. Also it’s not like it’s impossible to encrypt things when you store them? This article is more political than logical or technical, it’s unfortunate that government control / intervention in the free market to this degree can be spun into something positive.
They mean google docs/gmail or office365.
Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native
#36This will happen automatically once an EU native cloud exists with comparable pricing. Get on it. No one will pay 10x to store data in Europe.
They certainly will if regulations are part of it.
US has their tariffs and last stage capitalism, we have our government enforcement laws.
Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native
#37Thus is probably more about the EU having access to eu data than not having the US have access to EU data. Also it’s not like it’s impossible to encrypt things when you store them? This article is more political than logical or technical, it’s unfortunate that government control / intervention in the free market to this degree can be spun into something positive.
I wonder if someone could make a foss frontend for Google Drive/Dropbox/ that transparently encrypts files on your device before uploading them, that would certainly make me worry less about those services.
Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native
#38This already happened. Hetzner, OVH, and countless other local cloud companies exist. It is only the path of least resistancd and market inertia, that stops companies from switching. I run on Hetzner and am saving big bucks compared to the ridiculously high priced AWS.
Comparing EU cloud providers to AWS is like comparing a 1963 Zastava to 2025 high end BYD because both of them are cars and can drive from point A to point B.
Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native
#39As if the surveillance and regulation by the unelected EU bureaucrats was any better for the European citizens...
Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native
#40Thus is probably more about the EU having access to eu data than not having the US have access to EU data. Also it’s not like it’s impossible to encrypt things when you store them? This article is more political than logical or technical, it’s unfortunate that government control / intervention in the free market to this degree can be spun into something positive.
I wonder if someone could make a foss frontend for Google Drive/Dropbox/ that transparently encrypts files on your device before uploading them, that would certainly make me worry less about those services.
Isn’t what Cryptomator stand for ? Am I missing something here ?