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post #86

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Clearly infringing on what? Do they have "leggo my eggo" itself trademarked? And is it really reasonable to think there's consumer confusion between a waffle and an egg roll that isn't using the word "eggo"? I would say they're clearly not infringing on any plain "eggo" trademark.

I think Lego should sue Kellogs

Trademarks are specific to a product/service. This is why Apple the computer company and Apples at my grocery store can coexist.

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post #99

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To me, this would be the expected second step, for someone infringing on their trademark. Like if a person steals your car, then you confront them and try to strike a deal to prevent involvement of authorities. If you ignore that, I think it is reasonable to expect them to report you to the police, and you to get charged with theft.

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No, asking a court for a large amount of damages from an LLC is not in any way similar to arson and murder.

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post #100

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The trial is scheduled for the future. It sounds like you are blindly guessing about the case, and pretty unfamiliar with the law. Heres the case details: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/70447787/kellogg-north-... This isn't a "supposed law" or some new interpretation, this is pretty well established part of trademark law dating back to the 1800s in the US. The flip side of the law is that you have to be active…

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This tone is unnecessary, unhelpful and against the spirit and rules of the site. It also doesn’t advance the conversation. If you disagree, that’s fine, but refrain from using invalid techniques like ad hominem attacks and straw men arguments.

Edit: looked at your comment history and realized I’m not going to get anywhere with this. This is just how you behave when presented with information.

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post #100

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The trial is scheduled for the future. It sounds like you are blindly guessing about the case, and pretty unfamiliar with the law. Heres the case details: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/70447787/kellogg-north-... This isn't a "supposed law" or some new interpretation, this is pretty well established part of trademark law dating back to the 1800s in the US. The flip side of the law is that you have to be active…

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"Law you heard about"??? Dude, how ignorant are you? Even in engineering school we were taught about trademark law and such.

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post #93
post #42

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It's US law. If Kellogg doesn't defend their trademark, they lose it. An amicable middle ground might be for Kellogg to let the business purchase rights for $1, but if that happened it would open up a flood of this. Kellogg has so much money in that brand recognition, they'd lose far more than $15 million if it became a generic slogan. The $15 million is a token amount to get the small business to abandon its use. Ke…

this isnt a great law though. a non competing pun ahould have similar carve outs to fair use, to save both the trademark owner, jokester, and courts a bunch of time and money.

Not relevant to those who have to act on the law as it is today.

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post #93
post #42

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It's US law. If Kellogg doesn't defend their trademark, they lose it. An amicable middle ground might be for Kellogg to let the business purchase rights for $1, but if that happened it would open up a flood of this. Kellogg has so much money in that brand recognition, they'd lose far more than $15 million if it became a generic slogan. The $15 million is a token amount to get the small business to abandon its use. Ke…

this isnt a great law though. a non competing pun ahould have similar carve outs to fair use, to save both the trademark owner, jokester, and courts a bunch of time and money.

There are carveouts for things like parody and fair use, but running a restaurant that uses wordplay of a very specific marketing phrase, the same colors and fonts, and branding is the issue.

If you go look at pictures of the truck, the business branding, and other things it is very clear why Kellog’s has a good argument that their trademark is being used in a way that could damage the brand, or confuse consumers.

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post #93
post #42

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It's US law. If Kellogg doesn't defend their trademark, they lose it. An amicable middle ground might be for Kellogg to let the business purchase rights for $1, but if that happened it would open up a flood of this. Kellogg has so much money in that brand recognition, they'd lose far more than $15 million if it became a generic slogan. The $15 million is a token amount to get the small business to abandon its use. Ke…

this isnt a great law though. a non competing pun ahould have similar carve outs to fair use, to save both the trademark owner, jokester, and courts a bunch of time and money.

If you look at the court filings linked elsewhere in this thread, it isn't as simple as just a slogan. They copied the trade dress to the point that the truck looks like a Kelloggs waffle box.

Trademark law does have carveouts for people that are selling different products, doing parody, etc. But that isn't what this is.

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It actually looks like they were pretty reasonable here, as they offered money for the company to help rebrand even though they were clearly infringing on their copyright. Of course, there are three sides to every story.

Clearly infringing on what? Do they have "leggo my eggo" itself trademarked? And is it really reasonable to think there's consumer confusion between a waffle and an egg roll that isn't using the word "eggo"? I would say they're clearly not infringing on any plain "eggo" trademark.

Go find a picture of the truck.

The entire business is branded like Eggo waffles. The colors used, the font and stylistic “E” are the same, the white outlining of red letters on a yellow field is copied. It isn’t just the name and phrase, the entire brand is copied over.

I’m not making a judgment on the morality of the law. But under the law itself, I can completely understand how Kellog’s has a strong claim here

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#110
post #64

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You don't want to spend time and money to fight with a $350B company.

If that's your logic they can make you do anything they like. They can ask you for $100m "because I said so" and you'll comply to avoid spending $200m on lawyers.

Usually it doesn't take $200m to prove that "because I said so" isn't a valid claim of damages.

But otherwise, you've got the math right. Settling is typically advised when the cost to litigate is expected to be more than the cost to settle.

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