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Re: Clawdbot Renames to Moltbot

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Post by Dylan16807 »

NewsaHackO wrote: post #57
ikidd wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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It actually looks like they were pretty reasonable here, as they offered money for the company to help rebrand even though they were clearly infringing on their copyright. Of course, there are three sides to every story.

Clearly infringing on what? Do they have "leggo my eggo" itself trademarked? And is it really reasonable to think there's consumer confusion between a waffle and an egg roll that isn't using the word "eggo"?

I would say they're clearly not infringing on any plain "eggo" trademark.

Re: Clawdbot Renames to Moltbot

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Post by manmal »

ed wrote: post #20

A bit OT but why is moltbot so much more popular than the many personal agents that have been around for a while?

- Peter has spent the last year building up a large assortment of CLIs to integrate with. He‘s also a VERY good iOS and macOS engineer so he single handedly gave clawd capabilities like controlling macOS and writing iMessages.

- Leaning heavily on the SOUL.md makes the agents way funnier to interact with. Early clawdbot had me laugh to tears a couple times, with its self-deprecating humor and threatening to play Nickelback on Peter‘s sound system.

- Molt is using pi under the hood, which is superior to using CC SDK

- Peter’s ability to multitask surpasses anything I‘ve ever seen (I know him personally), and he’s also super well connected.

Check out pi BTW, it’s my daily driver and is now capable to write its own extensions. I wrote a git branch stack visualizer _for_ pi, _in_ pi in like 5 minutes. It’s uncanny.

Re: Clawdbot Renames to Moltbot

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Post by KenoFischer »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #81
NewsaHackO wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It actually looks like they were pretty reasonable here, as they offered money for the company to help rebrand even though they were clearly infringing on their copyright. Of course, there are three sides to every story.

Clearly infringing on what? Do they have "leggo my eggo" itself trademarked? And is it really reasonable to think there's consumer confusion between a waffle and an egg roll that isn't using the word "eggo"? I would say they're clearly not infringing on any plain "eggo" trademark.

> Do they have "leggo my eggo" itself trademarked?

As a matter of fact, they do:

https://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=77021301&caseType=SERIAL_...

The full complaint linked above has a full list of trademarks. There's also a claim for trade dress infringement, since the food truck uses the same font and red-yellow-white color scheme.

Re: Clawdbot Renames to Moltbot

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Post by [deleted] »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #81
NewsaHackO wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It actually looks like they were pretty reasonable here, as they offered money for the company to help rebrand even though they were clearly infringing on their copyright. Of course, there are three sides to every story.

Clearly infringing on what? Do they have "leggo my eggo" itself trademarked? And is it really reasonable to think there's consumer confusion between a waffle and an egg roll that isn't using the word "eggo"? I would say they're clearly not infringing on any plain "eggo" trademark.

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Re: Clawdbot Renames to Moltbot

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Post by Dylan16807 »

KenoFischer wrote: post #83
Dylan16807 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Clearly infringing on what? Do they have "leggo my eggo" itself trademarked? And is it really reasonable to think there's consumer confusion between a waffle and an egg roll that isn't using the word "eggo"? I would say they're clearly not infringing on any plain "eggo" trademark.

> Do they have "leggo my eggo" itself trademarked? As a matter of fact, they do: https://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=77021301&caseType=SERIAL_... The full complaint linked above has a full list of trademarks. There's also a claim for trade dress infringement, since the food truck uses the same font and red-yellow-white color scheme.

However, that particular phrase appears to be trademarked for: waffles, pancakes, french toast

Re: Clawdbot Renames to Moltbot

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Post by djmips »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #81
NewsaHackO wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It actually looks like they were pretty reasonable here, as they offered money for the company to help rebrand even though they were clearly infringing on their copyright. Of course, there are three sides to every story.

Clearly infringing on what? Do they have "leggo my eggo" itself trademarked? And is it really reasonable to think there's consumer confusion between a waffle and an egg roll that isn't using the word "eggo"? I would say they're clearly not infringing on any plain "eggo" trademark.

I think Lego should sue Kellogs

Re: Clawdbot Renames to Moltbot

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Post by nickthegreek »

Flere-Imsaho wrote: post #71
marcd35 wrote: post #6

something about giving full read write access to every file on my PC and internet message interface just rubs me the wrong way. some unscrupulous actors are probably chomping at the bit looking for vulnerabilities to get carte blanche unrestricted access. be safe out there kiddos

I run it in an LXC container which is hosted on a proxmox server, which is an Intel i7 NUC. Running 24x7. The container contains all the tools it needs. No need to worry about security, unless you consider container breakout a concern. I wouldn't run it in my personal laptop.

Did you follow a specific guide to setup the LXC by chance? I was hoping for a community script, but did not see one.

Re: Clawdbot Renames to Moltbot

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Post by dghlsakjg »

izacus wrote: post #79
echelon wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's US law. If Kellogg doesn't defend their trademark, they lose it. An amicable middle ground might be for Kellogg to let the business purchase rights for $1, but if that happened it would open up a flood of this. Kellogg has so much money in that brand recognition, they'd lose far more than $15 million if it became a generic slogan. The $15 million is a token amount to get the small business to abandon its use. Ke…

Did Kellogg actual win according to this supposed law you cite? Did they prove that their trademark was used? Or are you blindly guessing?

The trial is scheduled for the future. It sounds like you are blindly guessing about the case, and pretty unfamiliar with the law. Heres the case details: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/70447787/kellogg-north-...

This isn't a "supposed law" or some new interpretation, this is pretty well established part of trademark law dating back to the 1800s in the US.

The flip side of the law is that you have to be active in defending and using your trademark if you want to keep it. It prevents the sort of patent troll abuses we see in that system.

If "Leggo my Eggo" was last used years ago by Kellogs, and they haven't used it or defended it or other "Eggo" related trademarks since then, a court is much more likely to allow the use by other businesses, even if Kellog's still hold the registered trademark.

Kellog's choices here are to risk losing or weakening the trademark as a whole, or to sue since the other party has rejected other solutions.

Re: Clawdbot Renames to Moltbot

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Post by djmips »

shrubble wrote: post #13

Ogden Nash has his poem about canaries: "The song of canaries Never varies, And when they're moulting They're pretty revolting." Wondering if Moltbot is related to the poem, humorously.

I believe it's more about molting lobsters. Clawdbot used a lobster mascot or something.

Re: Clawdbot Renames to Moltbot

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Post by sergiotapia »

Veen wrote: post #77
sergiotapia wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

fake crypto based hype. Cui bono.

It's not. The guy behind Moltbot dislikes crypto bros as much as you seem to. He's repeatedly publicly refused to take fees for the coin some unconnected scumbags made to ride the hype wave, and now they're attacking him for that and because he had to change the name. The Discord and Peter's X are swamped by crypto scumbags insulting him and begging him to give his blessing to the coin. Perhaps you should do a bit of…

I'm not saying the author of the software is to blame. This has nothing to do with him! I'm saying why it became so popular.
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