Live data from Hacker News

America could have $4 lunch bowls like Japan but for zoning laws

abio.substack.com

101–110 of 322 posts

Re: America could have $4 lunch bowls like Japan but for zoning laws

#101

America is going in the opposite direction with instant food delivery. Your $11 meal is delivered to your house within 30 minutes. But, there's a service fee of $5, a delivery fee of $6, and a 20% gratuity.

There’s something very weird in the US, it’s like we intentionally set things up to accelerate convergence to obviously dumb local optima and then don’t explore any options to get over those barriers.

Re: America could have $4 lunch bowls like Japan but for zoning laws

#102

Ok… if this is the case, then why are food trucks charging $18 for a burger and fries now? It isn’t all zoning laws.

1. food trucks are subject to lots of regulation and fees too 2. burrito trucks sell their burritos at the market clearing price for a burrito, which is $18 because most of that burrito truck's competition is brick-and-mortar restaurants with expensive rent because of zoning laws.

A lot of the interesting food trucks around me are routinely more expensive than the brick and mortar stores around, often due to the novelty of the cuisine.

Re: America could have $4 lunch bowls like Japan but for zoning laws

#103

I serve as a planning commissioner for my city, and my city just recently tried to overhaul our zoning code to allow for more affordability and better economic outcomes for our citizens and future as a city. Here is what I have learned: In the US, few people participate or care about local laws, zoning, and elections, or even understand why participation may be important. In a citizen ballot to determine if we should…

Some politician in Japan pushed zoning away from cities up to the prefecture and national level. So locals do not get veto rights over new construction.

Re: America could have $4 lunch bowls like Japan but for zoning laws

#105

reducing everything to zoning laws is lazy analysis. nobody will ever sell $4 lunch bowls in SF because the rent is too high. so these market incentives will influence/force the proprietor to sell them for more!

failing to understand that the rent is too high because of zoning laws is lazy analysis.

if you are going to have a rebuttal, at least give a little bit why my take is lazy analysis. (and i'm aware your argument exists, and it's also wrong!)

Re: America could have $4 lunch bowls like Japan but for zoning laws

#106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t want someone drifting through town in the local motel to be able to meaningfully vote to change the city I am rooted in.

I'm talking about people who live in the city for years.

Then find a legal place to stay and register and you can vote.

Re: America could have $4 lunch bowls like Japan but for zoning laws

#107

Ok… if this is the case, then why are food trucks charging $18 for a burger and fries now? It isn’t all zoning laws.

from the article: > But the restaurant industry fights to limit food trucks. On average, food trucks must handle 45 separate regulatory procedures and spend $28,276 on associated fees. Lets napkin-math this. If we assume a food truck has margins at the upper end of the fast-casual industry of 9%, then each $18 burger-and-fries nets 1.62 in profit. $28,276 / 1.62 = 17,454 burgers-and-fries. If you were open every day…

Yea, if people are thinking you can just grab a truck and park it wherever you like, they are in for a big wake up call. The last city I lived in had the brick restaurant owners lobby and fight like hell to stack up every regulation they could on food trucks.

Re: America could have $4 lunch bowls like Japan but for zoning laws

#108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get the sentiment about "why would I let people who aren't going to stay long term decide how the city is run?" but in the end it creates a city that is indifferent or even hostile to people in that situation. It ends up disenfranchising a population that will always be there, even if the people who make up that population is constantly changing.

The ones who will “always be there” can get their papers for permanent residence done and vote. If they don’t want to (or can’t since they don’t have the legal grounds to even stay there for longer), then they shouldn’t have a say on decisions that can permanently change things about the place.

That is only possible with stable and legal housing. Not everyone is privileged to be in that situation, especially not with the housing market in many countries.

With your thinking you are creating a class of subhumans where you enjoy the benefits of their labour but you are not allowing them to vote. Like African Americans in the US not that long ago.

Re: America could have $4 lunch bowls like Japan but for zoning laws

#109
post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not true. The UK has a £3.85 meal deal that is a sandwich + a snack + a drink. It's hugely popular. Germany has the Döner Kebab, it's now about 5-9€, but the have cheaper options available too. Again, hugely popular. I'm sure most European cities have these.

A sandwich, snack or Döner Kebab is not a full nutritional lunch.

Are the $4 lunch bowls full nutritional lunches?
Post reply on HN