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Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux

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Re: Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux

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Post by presbyterian »

rapind wrote: post #93
jwcooper wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The sticking point like always will be media playback (read: DRM/widevine). That is the graveyard where Linux browsers go to die. If Kagi can legally and technically solve the widevine integration on a non-standard Linux webkit build, they win. If not, it will be a secondary browser for documentation reading only. I'm hopeful that some day Linux will have enough users where the media companies can't ignore them. Ho…

> I'm hopeful that some day Linux will have enough users where the media companies can't ignore them. Hopefully, that day is sooner than later. Does YouTube and Netflix work? That's the lion's share right there. A lot of users probably don't even care about the other streaming platforms. I'm probably being too optimistic, but I think the upcoming Steam machines will have a significant adoption of the linux desktop. M…

YouTube does, Netflix doesn't

Re: Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux

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Post by Phelinofist »

jlarocco wrote: post #99
Phelinofist wrote: post #39

Whats special about Orion? Why would I use it instead of FF or even Chromium?

FF and Chromium are controlled by the biggest advertising company on the internet, while Orion is developed by a privacy focused search engine.

But isn't it basically also just a rebranded Chromium clone, thus still heavily depended on G?

Re: Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux

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Post by bastawhiz »

JohnFen wrote: post #88
bastawhiz wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> online installers that can do all kind of data collection "Can" is doing a lot of work here. A browser's whole purpose is to be online, after all. If they were trying to collect information about you, they really don't need the installer to be the thing that does it. It would be an impressive reversal of their whole premise as a business if their browser's installer was the piece that was violating your privacy and…

> A browser's whole purpose is to be online, after all. Not its whole purpose. I use browsers offline fairly often. Offline installers (for any piece of software) are important to me because they allow me to keep a backup of the installer and won't restrict me when I don't have internet access. Keeping a backup is important because it lets me install older versions of the software when needed.

I respect your choice, but browsers are the one piece of software that you never, ever want to run an outdated version of. Websites really just don't stop working for new versions of browsers; browser/standards compatibility essentially only improves with time. The only thing you're getting with an old version is all of the security issues.

Re: Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux

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Post by roody15 »

freediver wrote: post #92
hellcow wrote: post #9

It seems weird to run a closed-source browser on an open-source operating system when so many open alternatives exist—I certainly wouldn’t do it, and I’m a Kagi customer. Does Kagi plan to open-source Orion on Linux?

Kagi founder here. Orion isn't open source yet primarily because we're a 5-person team that spent 6+ years building this and created significant IP doing so, and we're not in a position to defend our work against a well-funded company using it as a base (we care very much about the business model of the browser surviving). Restrictive licenses help in theory but enforcing them against a company with a larger legal bu…

Thanks for responding. Orion on iOS with extensions has been outstanding.. looking forward to linux version.

Re: Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux

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Post by otter-in-a-suit »

I love Kagi. I understand the niche this fills. I even understand not open sourcing it yet.

But what I really miss is a self-hosted sync server. I don't want to use a browser without sync, but I also don't want to trust this data with any 3rd party other than myself.

It's one of the main reasons I'm using Firefox, since that is the the only browser that even vaguely supports this - albeit not well.

Re: Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux

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Post by sharpshadow »

freediver wrote: post #92
hellcow wrote: post #9

It seems weird to run a closed-source browser on an open-source operating system when so many open alternatives exist—I certainly wouldn’t do it, and I’m a Kagi customer. Does Kagi plan to open-source Orion on Linux?

Kagi founder here. Orion isn't open source yet primarily because we're a 5-person team that spent 6+ years building this and created significant IP doing so, and we're not in a position to defend our work against a well-funded company using it as a base (we care very much about the business model of the browser surviving). Restrictive licenses help in theory but enforcing them against a company with a larger legal bu…

Enjoying Orion with uBlock on the iPhone, thanks for making it work!

Re: Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux

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Post by __MatrixMan__ »

packetlost wrote: post #85
__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We like Linux adoption around these parts. But don't we like it because linux doesn't let companies mistreat it's users? If users are unwilling to opt out of that abuse then I think its OK that their migration to Linux remains mildly inconvenient.

DRM sucks, but the time to thrash against it is has passed. It's here, it's not going away, and users expect to be able to use their browsers to watch protected content.

Aren't we talking about the fact that it's not here (on Linux), and some people would like it to be?

The time to thrash against DRM will be when you can't get hardware that boots kernels which were not approved by your government. What we're doing now is trying to prevent that time from coming at all.

Having to watch protected media on a different device is a small price to pay.

Re: Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux

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Post by barbazoo »

hobofan wrote: post #65
EbNar wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just curious, but is this really a big deal? As a customer, you already trust Kagi enough to feed them your entire search history, so I guess you don't think they're bad actors. Thus, why you find problematic the (momentary?) "unopeness" of the browser? I'd gladly try it (I'm on Arch), even just out of curiosity (unlikely to make it my main, though). Jeez, downvoted for asking about context? People, calm down.

> As a customer, you already trust Kagi enough to feed them your entire search history, so I guess you don't think they're bad actors. Do I? I'm not going to post sensitive information into a search engine no matter who runs it. My search history ain't worth much. What the contents of e.g. my bank website are is.

There’s still trusting Kagi that what’s in the binary was built from the open source code right?

Re: Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux

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Post by gr4vityWall »

I hope they upstream their implementation of Web Extensions to WebKit.

I'm not interested in using a proprietary browser, and hope for a release under a free license at some point. But a free WebKit-based browser with Web Extensions could have interesting properties regarding battery life on mobile GNU workstations.

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