Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

windowscentral.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

101–110 of 330 posts

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

#101

Post by subjectsigma »

grugagag wrote: post #90
manwe150 wrote: post #80

This seems to be a story written for the HN audience, rather than for the core user base. Despite a long trend of predictions of Windows demise, it is still very much here and healthy as a platform for user install. I could also write the same article about this website, how it was so full of bloat and ads that nobody wants I could barely get it to scroll, and it eventually crashed before getting to the end of TFA du…

If you drop a frog in a pot of boiling water, it will of course frantically try to clamber out. But if you place it gently in a pot of tepid water and turn the heat on low, it will float there quite placidly. As the water gradually heats up, the frog will sink into a tranquil stupor, exactly like one of us in a hot bath, and before long, with a smile on its face, it will unresistingly allow itself to be boiled to dea…

(From your own link, the story is just a myth that’s not supported by modern scientific evidence. But the point still stands.)

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

#102

Post by dundarious »

fcq wrote: post #5
JoeAltmaier wrote: post #4

Once they move product testing to the Engineering group charged with releasing the product, it was inevitable that Release would take priority over Exhaustive Test. Even if bugs surfaced during their sketchy testing, the group would be pressed to release anyway, to meet schedule. This is obvious to anyone. The management at Microsoft was naive or ignorant to make this process change, take your pick.

It is baffling how sluggish windows explorer has become, same with the start menu... Even worse that there are no end-user settings to turn down what makes both suck... you have to run hacks, tweak registry keys in order to have it working ~normally~

filepilot is a very snappy and feature-rich alternative to the native file explorer.

I wish there was a runner alternative. I love tofi on linux where a tiny bit of config makes it show up with dynamic yet deterministic results in a couple frames (at 60Hz).

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

#104

Post by olyjohn »

pdntspa wrote: post #84
areoform wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is incredibly user hostile. And it's not even free. This is an ecosystem you pay for. They're treating folks shelling out $200 for an OS as if they were cattle on the adtech train.

Who is actually shelling out $200 for Windows specifically? It's perceptually free if you bought it with your PC. And it's actually free if you took advantage of the free upgrade offer. I've picked up a few licenses off MacHeist for like $10

The cost is rolled into your PC when you buy it. Its not free.

Your $10 licenses are not legal. Sorry. Those are sketchy grey market keys. Though Microsoft likely won't go after you for it, so I'm not sure it matters.

You should have just saved the $10 and downloaded a cracked copy.

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

#105

Post by easyThrowaway »

manwe150 wrote: post #80

This seems to be a story written for the HN audience, rather than for the core user base. Despite a long trend of predictions of Windows demise, it is still very much here and healthy as a platform for user install. I could also write the same article about this website, how it was so full of bloat and ads that nobody wants I could barely get it to scroll, and it eventually crashed before getting to the end of TFA du…

It's a meaningful change in behavior though.

Compared to us nerds, people aren't leaving Windows "to fight the evil Empire and join the rightful FOSS fight" or whatever pretentious bullshit de jour.

They're leaving for the same reason most people stopped buying Roombas or Sonos Soundbars: New versions kinda suck, they have become expensive (if they have to buy a new device if they can't upgrade to Windows 11) and Knockoffs (Sure, linux isn't a knockoff but bear with me) or alternatives like macOS are good enough.

If your laptop is just a big window into Notion, Clickup, Jira, Slack or your web mail client, your OS has become entirely disposable.

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

#106

Post by antisthenes »

Aurornis wrote: post #68

I did a clean install of Windows 11 when Windows 10 went EOL. From all of the complaints I was hearing from headlines I expected a disastrous experience. But to be honest, it’s been fine. I’m not a heavy user but I switch to the Windows PC at least once a day for a few hours of CAD, gaming, and one other engineering program that is Windows only. I don’t click any of the AI buttons. I declined the OneDrive or backup s…

> I’m not a heavy user but I switch to the Windows PC at least once a day for a few hours of CAD, gaming, and one other engineering program that is Windows only.

Well yeah, maybe lead with that.

It seems like you don't actually need windows other than being a launcher for some very specific apps.

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

#107

Post by antisthenes »

autoexec wrote: post #87
Aurornis wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Gone are the days of affordable graphics accelerators in the $300 to $500 range. Now it’s $1000 to $2000. What are you talking about? nVidia only has two models in the $1000 to $2000 range and they’re clearly premium parts. The $300 to $500 cards are actually fine for normal gaming unless you demand to play at 4K at high settings.

> The $300 to $500 cards are actually fine for normal gaming unless you demand to play at 4K at high settings. I don't think that wanting to play games at the native resolution of your screen without changing settings from their defaults in order to make the game look and perform much worse is a very unreasonable "demand". That used to be possible without spending as much money and it's also not unreasonable for peop…

> That used to be possible without spending as much money and it's also not unreasonable for people to point that out

That used to be possible when the most common resolution was 1080p and refresh rates weren't pushing 240hz+.

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

#108

Post by nobodyandproud »

samiv wrote: post #54

I've been preaching this for a while but the era of PC as in "personal computing" is coming to an end and will slowly but surely be replaced with CC, Corporate Computing, where the corporations own everything, the hardware, the software and only permit you to use their equipment against a monthly fee and only to the extent they allow and permit. Everything you do will be controlled and observed and extracted for data…

The PC as a growth segment was at an end, but that’s because Microsoft cornered the market.

It was good enough and they just needed to make security fixes and tweaks; and I still would have paid for it!

Yet, the leaders at Microsoft found a way to lose their marketshare.

tl;dr; it just needed to remain quiet, boring, but reliable to remain a cashcow.

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

#109

Post by autoexec »

mrbluecoat wrote: post #94
hightrix wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not this person, but I installed win11 a month or two after launch and have lived through many many updates. I’ve never had a single setting switched from what I set it to. Nor have I had AI shoved down my throat. My guess is that since I set it up with a local account originally and have never added a MSFT account, that insulates me from a lot of the issues others have seen.

> even Notepad now has a Copilot button, which is something literally nobody has ever asked for AI is like crickets - some people like the sound, some ignore the sound, and some are driven crazy by the sound

I really hate what they've done to notepad. The entire point of the program was that it was extremely basic. There's zero reason to use it now over something much better like notepad++

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

#110

Post by Oreb »

EGreg wrote: post #6
fcq wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is baffling how sluggish windows explorer has become, same with the start menu... Even worse that there are no end-user settings to turn down what makes both suck... you have to run hacks, tweak registry keys in order to have it working ~normally~

I truly don’t understand how the world’s most valuable corporations with huge reserves of cash employing tons of developers can exist and NOT make a stable and reliable bug-free product after 30 years. It’s just more bloat and bugs all the time. I think open source projects by contrast get better over time, because they’re not constrained by whatever corporate agenda is that obviously doesn’t prioritize combatting en…

I agree with your general complaints about the decline of Apple’s software quality, but what’s your problem with Safari? I’ve never found another macOS browser I like half as much.
Post reply on HN