> privacy rules imposed by Apple for iOS devices, as of April 2021, on third-party developers of apps distributed through the App Store. In particular, third-party app developers are required to obtain specific consent for the collection and linking of data for advertising purposes through Apple’s ATT prompt Wait, so they are punishing Apple because Apple makes it harder to spy on users. What happens if Apple just ex…
Italian Competition Authority Fines Apple $115M for Abusing Dominant Position
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#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
Once they pay "modern" US health insurance (esp after a layoff) and also need to raise a family, the vast majority will crawl back through lava.
Still no - PPP (that’s after expenses such as food, healthcare, housing, etc) is significantly higher in the United States.
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#103Surprised by the negative comments here. Usually HN univocally complains about Apple‘s dominant App Store. Now a government fines them for it and some people are upset?
I think people would sympathize more if it was something like "Apple makes choosing a different default browser or email client unnecessarily cumbersome" -- instead of "Apple makes you double-opt-in to sharing your private data with even more advertisers"
Because Apple Search Ads are offered by the same company that sold you the device, they are legally not a “third party” service. Apple still tracks your installs, your revenue, your retention period, etc, and uses it for Apple Search Ads. Developers can see these metrics for their own apps.
You can’t opt out of this.
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#104Surprised by the negative comments here. Usually HN univocally complains about Apple‘s dominant App Store. Now a government fines them for it and some people are upset?
I don’t think it’s surprising. The ideal setup for many people here is an OS that gives them control over what they run and over their data. An App Store that restrict us from running the application we want is bad. An App Store that prevents applications from tracking us is good. The former restricts our freedom, the latter restricts the freedom of developers who want to take advantage of our data.
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#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don’t think it’s surprising. The ideal setup for many people here is an OS that gives them control over what they run and over their data. An App Store that restrict us from running the application we want is bad. An App Store that prevents applications from tracking us is good. The former restricts our freedom, the latter restricts the freedom of developers who want to take advantage of our data.
Except the Apple App Store literally tracks you, which in turn powers Apple Search Ads.
What I said it’s that I don’t find it surprising that people generally dislike the App Store but that they also aren’t against limiting tracking from apps.
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Or the US tech companies could abandon EU markets
It would be terrific if this happens. Can give room for alternatives to grow in the EU. Even the rest of the world would love it. So far only China has managed alternatives - and only thanks to govt exclusion. US behemoths just eat everyone else up - even in the global South.
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#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
Still no - PPP (that’s after expenses such as food, healthcare, housing, etc) is significantly higher in the United States.
I believe that would be true (after food, housing, healthcare, taxes, child-care, etc) only for a very narrow band of senior SWE's. And you are still not considering employment protection. And for junior or mid-level SWE's, not at all true for the overwhelming majority.
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#109I don't download any apps anymore, so not very informed on the state of alternative app stores in EU. I decided to Google where I can find those. One of the first links is leading to MacPaw's website. It's a company with questionable ethics and business practices that tries to sell you "antivirus" and "decluttering" app. So I'll pass. But are there any real 3rd-party AppStores for iOS now? Something that's used by mo…
> One of the first links is leading to MacPaw's website. Yikes, Google results are bad these days! They seem to focus on Mac applications, not iOS app store alternatives. > But are there any real 3rd-party AppStores for iOS now? Yes, the main one I am familiar with is AltStore: https://altstore.io However, according to Apple's docs, they only allow alternative app stores in the EU and Japan, so you have to be using a…
Also: even though Apple is explicitly told not to censor these alternative stores, Apple effectively does this through notarization
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It's the market for privacy violations. I'd go so far as to say that improving competitiveness in this market probably makes the world worse, by making privacy violations more profitable. If they had fined them for not allowing sideloading, or not allowing third-party payments, it would be a different story. Those are markets I want to see grow and thrive.
They received a complaint, they investigated and issued a fine. You're asking them to selectively enforce laws based on their subjective opinion of some industry, which would be highly illegal. The entire advertising industry needs to die and I'll support every fight in pursuit of that goal, but this isn't about that. You don't dismantle an industry by picking a winner and letting them get away with crime. And yes, t…