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Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

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Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

#101
I'm confused. I checked out the repo and I don't think the notebook itself - the equivalent of Jupyter is open source yet:

https://github.com/deepnote/deepnote/

What's the equivalent of `jupyerlab run`?

> You'll soon be able to:

> Take the UI you're used to from Deepnote Cloud and run it locally > Edit notebooks with a local AI agent > Bring your own keys for AI services > Run your own compute

Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

#102
post #45

Way to undermine an interesting product launch through poorly chosen language: > Let’s be frank the single‑player notebook has felt outdated for a while now. We’re open‑sourcing its successor. Jupyter belongs in the hall of great ideas — alongside “Hello, world.” and “View Source.” If you're trying to reach out to the Python community this is not the way to do it. Completely unnecessary hostile language there! Have s…

The whole post feels like it was edited/modified by ChatGPT; `What we opened — in English, not a changelog`, `Why it matters (no fluff):`, `We are big believers in notebooks — full stop` are patterns that always make me feel like an LLM wrote it (sentence followed by a marketing qualifier).

I really liked Deepnote the product when I last used it, but the post definitely feels off.

Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

#103
post #73
post #70

I'm Jakub, CEO of Deepnote. Didn't expect to see this trending here! We worked hard to execute on our vision of a data notebook and I'm glad we finally got a chance to open source it. We stand on the shoulders of giants. AMA!

Which LLM was used to generate that post?

And do you have a marketing team to fire, or is it just the LLM?

Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

#104
post #27

Do people find this sort of writing appealing? For me, it's cringe to borderline painful to read.

yes!

this announcement had such strong gpt-output vibe..

to the "writers": pleeease don't present unedited slop to me. i'm a human, if you want my attention consider using your own voice. i don't want to read what gpt thought would "market" you best.

but this thread did remind me of marimo so that's sweet

Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

#105
post #42

I don't know much about this, but I understand Project Jupyter is Nonprofit. If I go to "jupyter.org" I see a tab "Community" and another "Governance". If I go to "deepnote.com" I see "Customers" and "Pricing". Why would people want a standard to be controlled by a private company? I don't think the "Open-Sourcing" of it says enough. How does licensing work with formats or standards?

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Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

#106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TIL "Hello world!" has been put out to pasture.

Who needs Hello World when you can have an LLM implement an entire number guessing game for you?

For when the LLM completely screws up the code as it does

Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

#107
post #44

I’m not familiar with Deepnote, but I have quite a lot of experience with Jupyter, and if someone were to ask me if there are more modern alternatives I would immediately point them to marimo ( https://marimo.io/ ). For me marimo is already a successor to Jupyter, it has replaced it entirely for me.

But doesn't marimo force certain workflows that jupyter does not? For example its website states that "Notebooks are executed in a deterministic order, with no hidden state — delete a cell and marimo deletes its variables while updating affected cells." This appeals to people doing traditional software development work in notebooks, but it breaks workflows where people use notebooks as notebooks, where state is entir…

> Do people using notebooks these days hate this fundamental feature of notebooks?

It's one of the things that is the most confusing to people I've worked with. The idea that there is hidden state and you have to re-run cells to get variables to update (or variables still exist when you've deleted those cells) is quite confusing.

If you're trying to have a reproducible workflow, it can be difficult. Jupyter is no different from other notebooks in this regard (RStudio, for example will happily run code and keep variables around that you don't reference any longer in your .R or .Rmd files.)

But I see your point -- if you're using it as a long-term storage notebook, then this is the expected behavior. And you absolutely want to have "historical" data/results kept.

I generally think of / use notebooks as a way to make reports for analyses. So, I want to work with them, draft them, change them, put them in git, etc... then run them all at once to get my output. For me, having a reproducible, documented workflow is more important. I don't want state to be kept outside of those one-off runs. Really until your comment, I didn't understand the other side of the issue, so thanks!

Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

#108
post #29

I’m not familiar with Deepnote, but I have quite a lot of experience with Jupyter, and if someone were to ask me if there are more modern alternatives I would immediately point them to marimo ( https://marimo.io/ ). For me marimo is already a successor to Jupyter, it has replaced it entirely for me.

Have to say marimo is excellent and is a breath of fresh air compared to Jupyter!

What does it do better? I'm happy with Jupyter for most of my cases but never hurts to look around.

Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

#109
post #84
post #42

I don't know much about this, but I understand Project Jupyter is Nonprofit. If I go to "jupyter.org" I see a tab "Community" and another "Governance". If I go to "deepnote.com" I see "Customers" and "Pricing". Why would people want a standard to be controlled by a private company? I don't think the "Open-Sourcing" of it says enough. How does licensing work with formats or standards?

All standards are ultimately controlled by private companies. Even non-profits require funding. Open source always depended on a viable business model (of one or many companies) that can sustain not just the release, but also an ongoing maintenance of the standard.

The problem with corporate control isn't that they require funding or they are private, the problem is they are motivated first by profit. Sometimes exclusively. So when "what's best" is at odds with "what's profitable", they tend to make the wrong choice.

Take this project for instance. If one day their choice is to forgo all future profits, or to close the source to continue operating, it's very likely they will close the source to continue operating, rather than forgoing profits. We've seen it happen enough to be wary from the project structure alone.

Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

#110
post #45

Way to undermine an interesting product launch through poorly chosen language: > Let’s be frank the single‑player notebook has felt outdated for a while now. We’re open‑sourcing its successor. Jupyter belongs in the hall of great ideas — alongside “Hello, world.” and “View Source.” If you're trying to reach out to the Python community this is not the way to do it. Completely unnecessary hostile language there! Have s…

Completely agree. I don't know anyone who isn't financially incentivized to see the Jupyter project fail who feels this way about Jupyter. This whole post stinks of "we're losing to Jupyter so let's throw up a ridiculous Hail Mary".
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