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(Anybody still familiar with "bullshit bingo"?)
Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source
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Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source
#42I don't know much about this, but I understand Project Jupyter is Nonprofit. If I go to "jupyter.org" I see a tab "Community" and another "Governance". If I go to "deepnote.com" I see "Customers" and "Pricing".
Why would people want a standard to be controlled by a private company? I don't think the "Open-Sourcing" of it says enough. How does licensing work with formats or standards?
Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source
#43I'm not involved in any capacity with the development or use of Jupyter—I think ipynb is fundamentally flawed at a deep level, starting with its (I)Python roots—but this company's framing of their product as "the successor to Jupyter notebook" comes across as passive aggressive at best and misleading at worst. What is their relationship to Jupyter besides building a Jupyter alternative?
What are some of the flaws surrounding IPython and ipynb in particular?
Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source
#44I’m not familiar with Deepnote, but I have quite a lot of experience with Jupyter, and if someone were to ask me if there are more modern alternatives I would immediately point them to marimo ( https://marimo.io/ ). For me marimo is already a successor to Jupyter, it has replaced it entirely for me.
But doesn't marimo force certain workflows that jupyter does not? For example its website states that "Notebooks are executed in a deterministic order, with no hidden state — delete a cell and marimo deletes its variables while updating affected cells." This appeals to people doing traditional software development work in notebooks, but it breaks workflows where people use notebooks as notebooks, where state is entirely separate from the in-notebook presentation of cells. Do people using notebooks these days hate this fundamental feature of notebooks? It's the key reason why notebooks aren't just a transcript of a REPL session!
Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source
#45Way to undermine an interesting product launch through poorly chosen language:
> Let’s be frank the single‑player notebook has felt outdated for a while now. We’re open‑sourcing its successor. Jupyter belongs in the hall of great ideas — alongside “Hello, world.” and “View Source.”
If you're trying to reach out to the Python community this is not the way to do it. Completely unnecessary hostile language there! Have some respect.
My advice to Deepnote is to scrap this launch announcement (ideally with an apology) and try again. They've built something genuinely useful and interesting but it's going go get a lot less attention than it deserves if they introduce the open source version to the world like this.
Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source
#46Wouldn't the successor for Jupyter be decided by adoption? For a single team to self declare this seems a bit crass, no?
I would recommend not making any career pivots to sales or marketing.
Not sure if this is sarcasm, but GP has good taste and when marketing this stuff to developers, you need good taste. Otherwise it just rings hollow, and doesn’t inspire enthusiasm.
Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source
#47Way to undermine an interesting product launch through poorly chosen language: > Let’s be frank the single‑player notebook has felt outdated for a while now. We’re open‑sourcing its successor. Jupyter belongs in the hall of great ideas — alongside “Hello, world.” and “View Source.” If you're trying to reach out to the Python community this is not the way to do it. Completely unnecessary hostile language there! Have s…
TIL "Hello world!" has been put out to pasture.
Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source
#48I’m not familiar with Deepnote, but I have quite a lot of experience with Jupyter, and if someone were to ask me if there are more modern alternatives I would immediately point them to marimo ( https://marimo.io/ ). For me marimo is already a successor to Jupyter, it has replaced it entirely for me.
Marimo has been acquired (last week), does the SaaS enshitification pattern give you any pause?
Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source
#49Way to undermine an interesting product launch through poorly chosen language: > Let’s be frank the single‑player notebook has felt outdated for a while now. We’re open‑sourcing its successor. Jupyter belongs in the hall of great ideas — alongside “Hello, world.” and “View Source.” If you're trying to reach out to the Python community this is not the way to do it. Completely unnecessary hostile language there! Have s…
Yes. This wording just misses the mark and sounds super tone deaf
Not sure that an apology is necessary though. Some overconfident marketing person tried something, and it failed. That's what happens if you try stuff. They should just try harder next time
Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source
#50Haha I've asked LLMs to avoid fluff in a prompt and gotten exactly a heading like that one wkth "(no fluff)" before.
Otherwise I've followed DeepNote since they started. I agree with other comments that it's icky to announce yourself as a successor to someone else's project, but always nice to have more options for open source