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Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by zahlman »

tummler wrote: post #19

Suno is moving toward becoming a browser-based DAW that happens to use AI. There are already more capable and established DAWs, and I see no reason they can't implement AI into their workflows-- in a more precise manner, where it's actually useful, instead of wholesale as a gimmick. Many are already doing this. So I don't understand where Suno is going with any of this. It either needs to be: 1. So easy anyone can pr…

> Creative people don't hate the process of creating art

I mean, I hate when it's difficult to get the medium to express my vision... not that AI especially would help with that when I'm actually attached to that vision in detail....

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by vunderba »

recursive wrote: post #3

I'm really curious how the traditional DAW features stack up against the incumbents. A good DAW has a ton of features. Developing a whole DAW from scratch just to add a "generate part" button sounds like a lot.

I split pretty evenly between Bitwig, Logic X, and MuseScore and I can tell you the first big reservation I have with something like this is that it's an online DAW.

What does that mean? It means that your compositions (outside of bouncing them down to audio stems) exists within a highly proprietary SaaS format and that the moment you stop paying, you've got NOTHING.

99% of major DAWs (Ableton, Logic, FL Studio, Bitwig, Studio One, etc.) are a perpetual license.

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by efskap »

input_sh wrote: post #49
meowface wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they do add VST support I could see them becoming a legitimate player. Without it it's definitely just a toy.

They're never gonna let you upload and run your own executable files to their infrastructure. That + latency with MIDI devices is why every DAW-in-a-browser is just a toy.

It's a pipe dream of course, but WebAssembly would be an ideal target for C++ VSTs for its portability and sandboxing

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by zahlman »

input_sh wrote: post #49
meowface wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they do add VST support I could see them becoming a legitimate player. Without it it's definitely just a toy.

They're never gonna let you upload and run your own executable files to their infrastructure. That + latency with MIDI devices is why every DAW-in-a-browser is just a toy.

... VSTs are executable code?

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

#105

Post by Rochus »

moritzwarhier wrote: post #98
Aldipower wrote: post #96

Meanwhile I've mixed a song of mine down on a Tascam 688 8-track tape recorder. I have a big smile on my face because I find this very enjoyable. The haptics, the sound and my hand-crafted product. A piece of art made by a human. No AI will replace this for me.

I'm pretty sure your creation will be more interesting than any AI-generated "art". Suno can create catchy songs and succeed in matching genre expectations / cliches. I've been in phases where I had output I generated with it playing in my head constantly (due to repeated listening). The output was catchy. Then tried to generate interesting music, failed spectacularly. And I, among other stuff, enjoy a lot of music t…

> Then tried to generate interesting music, failed spectacularly.

You can upload music and let suno arrange it in different styles. I'm a musician myself and am also interested in "interesting" music. I made experiments with my own music and was positively surprised by the "musicality" and creativity of the generated arrangements (https://rochus-keller.ch/?p=1350).

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by lomase »

bogtap82 wrote: post #94
lomase wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I actually have listen to all the links people posted. They are not that bad. But when they say it can replace Pop music I can only laugh. It is the most boring early 2000 RnB ever created and it souns thin. Any Aphex Twin model out there?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lD7rSxPncs4

I listened to it when you posted before. Better than most of the others I have listened wich were all much more "cold".

The visual stuff also helps to make it more powerfull and cohesive.

The bad part is that it wanders a lot to get nowhere and it does not create a climax that bridges with the second part. The same sounds and ambient with a producer behind that creates an arragment for it would be much more powerful.

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by songeater »

Tools like Suno are fundamentally enabling. I'm about 40 years old and never "had the music" - not for lack of trying (music lessons at a young age)... but could never carry a tune or keep rhythm. I suppose its what being dyslexic feels like. If I were educated in a culture where music was fundamentally as important as reading or math, I suppose would have spent enough hours on it to eventually be passable... but I got frustrated, the music lessons stopped. But that doesn't mean I stopped appreciating or wanting to make music!

And then comes Suno (and OpenAI's jukebox before that), and it felt like my brain exploded... like the classic scene in a superhero movie when the power was given to me. Is my music good? No - but I spent years writing and fashioning poetry and all of a sudden can put that to music... hard to explain how awesome that feels. and i love using the tools and it's getting better and it's been fundamentally empowering. I know it's easy to say generative art is generative swill... but "learning Suno" is no different than "learning guitar".

https://open.spotify.com/album/45CY60A8GCHxBQb7DCJsIl

https://songxytr.substack.com/p/what-is-a-songxytr

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by boredemployee »

tummler wrote: post #19

Suno is moving toward becoming a browser-based DAW that happens to use AI. There are already more capable and established DAWs, and I see no reason they can't implement AI into their workflows-- in a more precise manner, where it's actually useful, instead of wholesale as a gimmick. Many are already doing this. So I don't understand where Suno is going with any of this. It either needs to be: 1. So easy anyone can pr…

"Creative people don't hate the process of creating art"

Yep. I was a professional music producer before the pandemics, and I couldn't agree more.

Honestly, I'm glad we are destroying every way possible to earn money with music, so we find another profession for that purpose and then we can make music for fun and love again.

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by jonesetc »

songeater wrote: post #107

Tools like Suno are fundamentally enabling. I'm about 40 years old and never "had the music" - not for lack of trying (music lessons at a young age)... but could never carry a tune or keep rhythm. I suppose its what being dyslexic feels like. If I were educated in a culture where music was fundamentally as important as reading or math, I suppose would have spent enough hours on it to eventually be passable... but I g…

Guitar, make it sound more like someone else's hard work.
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