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Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe somehow this will be true in the future, but I am finding that as soon as you work on a novel or undocumented or non internet available problem it is just a hallucinating junior dev

The dirty secret is most of the time we are NOT working on anything novel at all. It is pretty much a CRUD application and it is pretty much a master detail flow.

I work on novel technologies.

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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post #80

I wonder what is the ratio of people who feel like they have to cap any offering they get? That is if you promise them say 1TB of cloud storage, they will fill that with anything, just to feel like they got moneys worth. And how does this compare to case with "Unlimited". Overall will the total used be higher or lower?

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Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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To be honest, this was inevitable, the pricing is unsustainable. I see it as sort of similar to those days when Uber eats used to offer all of those coupons for free food. I still fondly recall the good old days during my undergrad when Uber eats came into my city and we feasted like kings, because it cost next to nothing to buy a new mobile number. But my point is, we always knew the music was going to stop, we always knew it was unsustainable, we just enjoyed the VC capital funded burritos while they lasted. When I read unlimited, i just automatically assume there's a catch (ISPs in my home country have been offering 'unlimited' internet with a whole plethora of catches for decades now).

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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I get that many people prefer Claude and Claude Code to Gemini 2.5 Pro and gemini-cli, but things seem more transparent with Google. For short sessions I run gemini-cli in free mode, and when I suspect I might hit the timeout for getting Gemini 2.5 Pro switching to Gemini 2.5 Flash during my session, I set my Gemini key and run and get the Pro model as long as I need it in a session.

Gemini did go from a huge free tier to 100 free uses a day, but I expected that.

EDIT: let me clarify: I just retired after over 50 very happy years working as a software developer and researcher. My number one priority was always self-improvement: learning new things and new skills that incidentally I could sometimes use to make money for whoever was paying me. AI is awesome for learning and general intellectual pursuits, and pairs nicely with reading quality books, listening to lectures on YouTube, etc.

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AI isn't a stylistic preference or minor enhancement, but cognitive augmentation that allows developers to navigate complexity at scales human cognition wasn't designed for. Just as the developer who refused to adopt version control, IDEs, or Stack Overflow eventually became unemployable , those who reject tools that fundamentally expand their problem-solving capacity will find themselves unable to compete with those…

IMO Version Control, IDEs, and Stack Overflow are many degrees of magnitude more valuable than GPT tools. The use cases of these GPT tools are extremely limited. They demo well and are quite useful for highly documented workflows (E.G. they are very good at creating basic HTML/JS layouts and functionality). However, even the most advanced GPT tools fall flat on their face when you start working with any sort of bleed…

That is interesting, in my experience these tools work quite well on larger codebases but it depends how you use them and I haven't really found a counterexample. Do you maybe have a practical example, like a repo you could link that just doesn't work for AI?

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Claiming that we shouldn't accept bait and switch as normal is denying the fundamental reality of the "hypergrowth" SaaS business model. The beatings will _always_ continue until the bottom-line improves. Price transparency for the average retail user is irrelevant to B2B contracts which is where every SaaS churns their butter.

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Claude definitely engage in some shady and illegal behavior. I wanted to see what the annual plan would cost as it was just displaying €170+VAT, and when I clicked the upgrade button to find out (I checked everywhere on the page) then I was automatically subscribed without any confirmation and without ever seeing the final price before the transaction was completed. Turns out that price was €206.50. Getting refunded…

You might not have noticed in all the frustration, but you got overcharged. 170 + 20% VAT is 204, not 206.50. Maybe they added a card fee in at the end, but if they didn’t make that abundantly clear, they’ve broken a law in most countries which use the Euro.

Why 20% VAT? Different EU countries have different tax brackets, so OP might not have had 20%.

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

#108

I would absolutely do this if I ran anthropic. Of course unlimited implicitly means “unlimited without abuse.” There are always these “power users” who run it 25/8 and use all the resources, or sell access to others. To Anthropic: of course the “power users” are also going to be the top 5% of extremely online folks who are going to angrily pen long form tweet storms and this whole thing will die down soon for the oth…

> Of course unlimited implicitly means “unlimited without abuse.” So, not unlimited? Like, if the abuse is separate from amount of use (like reselling; it can be against ToS to resell it even in tiny amounts) then sure, but if you're claiming "excessive" use is "abuse", then it is by any reasonable definition not unlimited.

This is the reason why fast food restaurants don't sell unlimited refills for their soda in Europe. People would demand the right to go and get ten sodas there every day of their life, since they had an "unlimited" refill.

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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> When developers get "rate limit exceeded" while debugging at 2 AM, they're not thinking about your infrastructure costs—they're shopping for alternatives.

What's the alternative when every other vendors (eventually) have the same limit?

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

#110
post #69

"I firmly believe that AI will not replace developers, but a developer using AI will replace a developer who does not." Ugh, anyone who says that and really believes it can no longer see common sense through the hype goggles. It's just stupid and completely 100% wrong, like saying all musicians will use autotune in the future because it makes the music better. It's the same as betting that there will be no new invent…

AI isn't a stylistic preference or minor enhancement, but cognitive augmentation that allows developers to navigate complexity at scales human cognition wasn't designed for. Just as the developer who refused to adopt version control, IDEs, or Stack Overflow eventually became unemployable , those who reject tools that fundamentally expand their problem-solving capacity will find themselves unable to compete with those…

If reading your code requires navigating complexity that human cognition wasn't designed for then something has gone terribly wrong.
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