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The App Store Nightmare

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Re: The App Store Nightmare

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I don't think he was signalling his actual approval, but merely conveying what he interpreted to be Apple's assessment of his lifestyle. Apple thinks he is doing it "wrong" because he isn't fitting into one of the common cases they bothered to plan for. This comment serves to both emphasise that Apple ignores the long tail and that Apple has the tendency to get people to think that they are "wrong" for wanting someth…

My apologies for singling you out with this, but many people seem to be jumping on this bandwagon all too much and I've about lost my patience with it. This isn't something that Apple, or Amazon, or Netflix, or Hulu etc. can take the blame for in my opinion. Dealing with multi-national accounts is terribly complicated, especially when it comes to selling the content that Apple does. I imagine it would be extraordinar…

No need to apologise, I don't know what the current multinational account setup with Apple is like since I have never had to experience it myself, I am going entirely off what people like crazygringo have talked about.

I fully understand that licensing contracts from third parties will always make the entire experience suboptimal. I expect hiccups. I don't know if Apple has some sort of system available where upon calling a CS rep they can link two accounts in their system to iron out their customer experience. Something like that seems like it would be a good system that would provide a better user experience while still keeping their system aware of licensing restrictions. I don't know if that exists already, or what, if anything, Apple does for customers in that sort of a position. All I do know is that I have only heard complaints. At least from their perspective, they feel as though they are being ignored.

> Apple doesn't ignore the long tail

I think we will have to agree to disagree there. I don't want to get into some sort of flamewar. I should probably point out that ignoring the long tail is a complaint I have with most companies out there in the consumer space right now, not just Apple. I think it is a reality of having finite resources and rapid release cycles while trying to target the general public.

> nor do they actively try to convince people that they don't want what they want.

I agree. I don't know what causes it, but I think it is a phenomenal that appears by itself. With the copy/paste example, I never once heard the "You are wrong for wanting that" line from Apple, but I heard it numerous times from friends at the pub or whatever when I would poke fun of them for lacking it. (If you want to see examples of it, you can probably find them buried in the comment sections of slashdot on articles from a few years ago. Not exactly the standard of mature discussion, I know..). I think this phenomenon (specifically, people making up poor excuses for a company who they have no association with. Excuses that do not have anything to do with the reality of the situation.) is not something that Apple has deliberately created.

It seems to be something that happens any time people people are loyal fans of something and are exposed to often times very repetitive criticism. It seems very similar to post-purchase rationalization to me, though obviously with a different root cause.

Examples of the phenomenon outside of Apple fans, off the top of my head, may include: defence of politicians (specifically, giving excuses for politicians being politicians. Things like: "He can't follow through with his election platform because he has to get elected again!" or "Well he would, if not for those meddling [other party people]!"), defence of the nuclear power industry (I am likely guilty of this one), and defence of various segments of the auto industry.

Several examples of this in the auto industry seem apparent to me. Telsa fans claiming that going more than 300 miles is unnecessary is probably one that the HN crowd is most familiar with (and one that I think I am also guilty of). (The response you see to 300 mile complaints is not "Well yes, that is the best we can do with batteries today" but rather "You are weird for needing more than 300 miles".) Actually, this is probably the best comparison to the what we see among some Apple fans, since both items are a luxury good that are held back by some technical realities.

Re: The App Store Nightmare

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> nor must a credit card remain on file to keep an iTunes > account active. There is no way to delete credit card information from an Apple Store account, that I see. If you know of one, please do let me know!

There is, although via iTunes and it is a little subtle. It may also depend on your country (but Australia and Peru work). 1. In iTunes, go to your account (iTune Stores, then click on top right login name assuming you're logged in). 2. Edit your Payment information 3. Choose CC type of "None" 4. Save It is a desirable thing to do if you expect children will be using your iDevices -- the password doesn't stop them bu…

Ah, perfect. Thank you!

I guess didn't think of going through iTunes to remove the credit card I had to add to get the free XCode app via the Mac App Store.... yes, the whole setup is completely insane. ;)

Re: The App Store Nightmare

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Paypal didn't sort this out. It's the same as for the App Store. Your account is bound to one given country and when you move to another country you are supposed to close the account and re-open another one. In addition, you can only link bank accounts to Paypal if they're in the same country as the Paypal account. Also, you can set your address in Paypal to a foreign country.

so you are supposed to rebuy everything you bought on itunes? and this is reasonable?

Nope - it's not. And for me also the Paypal behavior is broken, as I'm resident of multiple countries. Just wanted to point out that the above statement about Paypal was wrong.

For a positive example look at the Google Play Store: The apps that I bought in one country are available in any other country. The only exception are apps that aren't available in a given country. They don't disappear from my phone, but I can't update/reinstall them until I'm in a country where they are available

Re: The App Store Nightmare

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post #97

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> But it isn't Apple that is making them tied to regions, this is a requirement of the record and movie industries who seem to think that price and release discrimination by region makes sense. It is also a problem for Apps. There are loads of apps available in some countries but not others. It's up to the app developer to make them available globally. I understand not wanting to offer your app in countries where it…

Pardon my ignorance, but I am unable to think of a use-case where it's beneficial for an app developer to not allow his app be available globally.

When it's fundamentally broken internationally and people start giving it bad reviews when it doesn't work. That's the only case I can think of and even then it's quite weak.

Re: The App Store Nightmare

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post #97

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> But it isn't Apple that is making them tied to regions, this is a requirement of the record and movie industries who seem to think that price and release discrimination by region makes sense. It is also a problem for Apps. There are loads of apps available in some countries but not others. It's up to the app developer to make them available globally. I understand not wanting to offer your app in countries where it…

Pardon my ignorance, but I am unable to think of a use-case where it's beneficial for an app developer to not allow his app be available globally.

It's a lot of work to set up billing in all the different countries, so they may not have bothered. There are also a lot of legal issue with different privacy laws (Europe being stricter) and censorship requirements (e.g. swastikas in Germany, denigration of Attaturk in Turkey). It's not likely that anyone's actively avoiding global availability, but it may be more worth for a period of time to use their limited resources on making the US version better rather than dealing with those headaches.

Re: The App Store Nightmare

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post #24

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Living in multiple countries always has, and always will be a huge hassle when it comes to DRM-ed wares / online shopping (there's usually a tangible benefit from saying that you live somewhere that you're not currently, because of regional pricing etc so providers tend to lock it down). They also have a legal obligation to verify your location to ensure that you're paying the right taxes etc. If you're in a complex…

> and I've definitely never heard of another company charging for this type of legitimate support Go to support.microsoft.com. File a request for any consumer tech support problem. Boom, before you've even spoken to anyone, you've gotta fork over $59. It actually charges your credit card online before you get to speak to someone. Apple at least always answers your calls and provides advice before attempting an upsell…

I'm talking about licensing support, not tech support; and more specifically licensing support of a service rather than a product.

Microsoft don't charge you to talk to a person when you have issues activating windows (and I've never had one of their products break when I changed region). I've never had to deal with any of their services breaking for me (only products) so I'm not sure whether they try to sell you a support subscription when you use eg http://support.xbox.com/en-GB/contact-us?isChatCallAvailable... , but I'd expect it to be free if it fell into the category of "stuff I purchased that you failed to deliver to me".

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