Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

Post by pjc50 » Tue, Jun 17, 2025, 10:19 PM UTC

abeppu wrote: post #56

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The scale of the protests means the protests are already working. They’re as much about spreading awareness and mobilizing the voting public as they are about current events. I don’t see a connection between their efficacy and what happened in Minnesota, which was an event that is arguably all the more reason to protest.

Working to accomplish what goal for whom? I think largely they have not yet been effective at protecting immigrants. > They’re as much about spreading awareness and mobilizing the voting public as they are about current events. Right, so to some degree they "work" as tools for existing political groups in attracting attention, resources and possibly votes. But does it better enable those groups to actually help immig…

Post by pjc50 » Tue, Jun 17, 2025, 10:24 PM UTC

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Mostly because they're acting as agents of the president's agenda, and as such, even if one were to prosecute them for their crimes, the president would just blanket-pardon them all and executive-order that they're immune to any legal enforcement against them, and the toadies in D.C. would roll over and allow it all to happen.

But none of that has to do with a president's own qualified immunity. ICE isn't inheriting the president's qualified immunity; they have it because they're government employees. It doesn't matter if they're acting in the presidents interests or not and for state employees if they're acting in the governors interests or not. Pardon is a very clearly enumerated power of the president so any usage of it is very clearly…

Post by sQL_inject » Tue, Jun 17, 2025, 10:26 PM UTC

stingrae wrote: post #22

It is insane that federal agents are allowed to roam around in masks, without ID and just arrest people.

Post by wahern » Tue, Jun 17, 2025, 10:28 PM UTC

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A couple of reasons: Clickbait, Incitement, Selling something, or Bad Journalism It happens all the time, but your point is absolutely correct. Media fabrication undermines confidence in the reporting.

The other commenter mentioned "narrative", which is very relevant, because that is an important part of simulation (and your username) Baudrilliard was careful to point out that simulation isn't a matter of fabrication; to simulate is to obscure the absence of facts, not to create false facts. A simulacrum is a symbol that obscures the fact that it refers to nothing; whereas a symbol, in centuries past, invariably re…

Post by unyttigfjelltol » Tue, Jun 17, 2025, 10:29 PM UTC

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It seems like it would be possible for state and local forces (police) to arrest and imprison ICE agents that are acting illegally. Specifically, arrest them for kidnapping when the nab people off the streets. Sure, they'll get out because they can lie and pretend they have cause; but they could be locked up for a while at least. And do it enough, and maybe they'll start thinking twice before acting stupid.