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Re: After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

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Post by stanford_labrat »

amriksohata wrote: post #77
callamdelaney wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the only true solution. Parents need to take responsibility for what their kids are doing online, what they’re viewing and who they’re talking to. This generation of parents should be prepared for that but apparently not.

This never happens tho - parents dont sometimes even know how to use the tech. Its like giving a gun to a child and telling them its ok, just remember when you open the packaging to take the safety off. ...and oh yeh the safety software changes every few months so you will have to review it

I’m sorry who is who in this analogy. Because if internet/tech is the gun then the clear solution is “not giving your children guns”.

Bad modern parents just give their kids an iPad.

Re: After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

#102

Post by mdp2021 »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #85
mdp2021 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alchool is poison. If you handle it maturely, it remains an intoxicant. Chocolate should be eaten with restraint. If you handle it maturely, it remains something not that comparable to alchool.

Right. The question is whether porn is poisonous, and many people (myself included) genuinely feel the answer is yes. Mature, responsible adults can often ration their consumption enough to avoid too many negative effects - as they do with alcohol - but even adults sometimes fail and for children it's much harder.

> is poisonous

With all due, some may want to advise you to check into that. It could be that it does strange things because of the way you are wired.

Please note (about similar corners) what I have already written in the page, "for some it brings a satisfaction and this is an outlet valve that reduces adverse social effects; for some it is a kindler and it will increase adverse social effects".

To some it will be the opposite of a poison - it will be constructive. It will depend.

This cannot be said of alchool and similar.

Re: After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

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Post by LPisGood »

pishpash wrote: post #76
tonymet wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is this passive aggression? “You’re not using porn, because I say so, and you’re not using a computer without a porn filter, because I bought it” That’s not passive aggression, that’s responsible parenting and clear boundaries.

"Because I say so" is a weak ass argument, no argument at all. "Because I bought it" is passive aggressive, because you do not intend to allow even if you did not buy it.

It’s not an argument it’s just a statement of fact. “You can’t do this because I bought it” explains what (you can’t do X without Y) and why (I own Y and can therefore control the use of Y).

Now, it doesn’t explain why the decision was made in the first place to enforce a porn filter as a requirement for using the device, but again - it’s not an argument.

I agree that it doesn’t provide a complete explanation because as you mention, if the child bought their own device there would still be restrictions, but that wasn’t the case being discussed.

Re: After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

#104

Post by godelski »

pishpash wrote: post #84
callamdelaney wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apparently the average age of mothers is 30 - these parents should understand the risks of technology having be exposed to it themselves but we don’t seem to be seeing improvement in this area like we might expect.

A mother of 30 can't compete with shareholder interest working 24/7.

  > A 30yo mother can't compete 
    (fify)
Shareholders, super computers, psychologists, and a good portion of HN users!

Re: After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

#105

Post by DocTomoe »

david-gpu wrote: post #49
macintux wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Porn is considered a highly private activity for many reasons: societal disapproval, religious prohibitions...heck in some countries, watching gay porn is potentially a death sentence.

I get wanting to keep illegal activities unknown to the authorities, so I'll concede that. But in the context of this thread, where a company was threatening to do this in a developed democratic country, that is not an issue, is it? Societal disapproval can be divided between people you interact with and strangers. Why would anybody what strangers think of them, particularly when those strangers would have to been ru…

Ah, the myth of the 'developed democratic country', as if our societies are somehow enlightened enough as to not collect material to hang us with should the need arise to silence us.

Re: After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

#106

Post by yhavr »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #85
mdp2021 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alchool is poison. If you handle it maturely, it remains an intoxicant. Chocolate should be eaten with restraint. If you handle it maturely, it remains something not that comparable to alchool.

Right. The question is whether porn is poisonous, and many people (myself included) genuinely feel the answer is yes. Mature, responsible adults can often ration their consumption enough to avoid too many negative effects - as they do with alcohol - but even adults sometimes fail and for children it's much harder.

Well, social networks and *-toks are also poisonous for your dopaminergic system. As well as certain classes of games, I guess here's a spectrum. But the best option I see is to educate _everyone_ including kids about mental hygiene. Rather than enforcing unenforceable restrictions.

Re: After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

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Post by closewith »

callamdelaney wrote: post #66
ghusto wrote: post #17

> A more technically sound approach would be content controls directly implemented on the devices parents chose to give their children Passive aggression level 10, and I approve.

This is the only true solution. Parents need to take responsibility for what their kids are doing online, what they’re viewing and who they’re talking to. This generation of parents should be prepared for that but apparently not.

Okay, should bars and off licenses be able to sell alcohol to 10 year olds? Cigarettes? Should that be the responsibility of parents to control, too?

Or do we continue with the long held legislative reality that you are responsible for the goods and services that you unlawfully provide to children?

Re: After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

#108

Post by LPisGood »

sltkr wrote: post #79
baby_souffle wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But this... what's the problem with this method? You're just hoping that there's never a leak of any UUID(s) that could be used to correlate things. The ad-tech industry has pioneered de-anonymization tech and they're very, very good at it. Tangential question: if the principal is divorced from the "is not a minor" signal, what prevents a thrifty youth from just buying/stealing somebody's token?

First, intentionally leaking this type of data is extremely illegal under Europe's strict privacy laws. So we are limited to unintentional breaches of privacy which can be guarded against with auditing requirements. Second, you have to look at the potential damage such a leak would have on the affected porn watchers. Is it really that damaging to your reputation if someone could prove that you visited Pornhub in the…

> First, intentionally leaking this type of data is extremely illegal under Europe's strict privacy laws. So we are limited to unintentional breaches of privacy which can be guarded against with auditing requirements

You already know this, I’m certain, but laws and “audits” do little more than nothing to meaningfully protect data.

Re: After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

#109

Post by yhavr »

mdp2021 wrote: post #102
SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right. The question is whether porn is poisonous, and many people (myself included) genuinely feel the answer is yes. Mature, responsible adults can often ration their consumption enough to avoid too many negative effects - as they do with alcohol - but even adults sometimes fail and for children it's much harder.

> is poisonous With all due, some may want to advise you to check into that. It could be that it does strange things because of the way you are wired. Please note (about similar corners) what I have already written in the page, "for some it brings a satisfaction and this is an outlet valve that reduces adverse social effects; for some it is a kindler and it will increase adverse social effects". To some it will be th…

Well, doesn't porn-ish entertaiment fuck up ones reward system? I'm not talking of porn specificly, but about a range of products that turn people into "dopamine rats", constantly pressing a button for more bursts of novelty?

Re: After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

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Post by [deleted] »

mdp2021 wrote: post #91
sandspar wrote: post #83

I support banning porn. You've got coordinated "teams" of men, most of them diagnosable sociopaths, who work as a group to manipulate and destroy teenagers. For every one woman you see on a porn website, there's a network of 10 men who are working as a coordinated team to manipulate her. Most of the young women are from broken homes, many of them are low IQ, and many of them were sexually abused as children by male a…

You should provide sources. And after that, you could be presented other sources that present much cleaner environments. It will depend. ...So, what you have said is "Shoes are made in sweatshops: ban shoes". -- Replying to the dead post below: yes, you have as if declared that "all shoe production is substantially like torturing geese for foie gras", but we note that "producing shoes does not necessarily involve tor…

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