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KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”

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Re: KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”

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Post by JohnFen »

MegaDeKay wrote: post #80
usrnm wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

KDE 3 to KDE 4 transition really was painful, it pushed me away as well, but it also happened over 15 years ago. I gave it a shot a few years back, and it was great, much better than modern-day Gnome in my opinion.

Thanks for stating this. It puzzles me how people can still hold a grudge against the transition to KDE4 that happened back in early 2008. It took a while but even KDE4 got pretty good. KDE6 is great and if you follow Nate Graham's blog, you can see the improvements that go into it every week. https://blogs.kde.org/authors/nategraham/

> It puzzles me how people can still hold a grudge against the transition to KDE4 that happened back in early 2008.

I don't think it's people holding a grudge, I think it's people who got burned and are hesitant to touch that burner again because they don't want to get burned twice.

Re: KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”

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Post by jeroenhd »

Aardwolf wrote: post #71

Why "finally"? To me, KDE's job should be to organize and render windows, application launcher icons, and the like If I want a virtual machine, I'll use a virtual machine for that All this "KDE suite" stuff and what not is unnecesarry - some of these are good pieces of software that I like to use, but there's no reason they need any integration with a desktop environment (arguably a few basics like a file manager, VT…

KDE has been building tools for decades now. Browsers, email clients, contacts management, you name it. KDE 1 already included a file explorer and [was already developing an office suite at the time](https://kde.org/announcements/1-2-3/1.0/). KDE's suite goes back to its very beginnings.

Plasma is only a small part of KDE's toolkit, and that's why KDE is so popular. Hell, most of Plasma has no business being part of a window manager.

If you just want something to render windows, there are much more minimalist alternatives, such as LXDE, Hyprland, Sway, i3, and so on.

Re: KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”

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Post by jeroenhd »

jopicornell wrote: post #74
brokegrammer wrote: post #65

What KDE needs isn't new features but less bugs.

That's something I think as well. I've tried 4 times through the years, and KDE always felt less stable and solid than Gnome. I guess it's the configurability of KDE that makes it that way. I like the concept, but I guess maintaining it is no easy task, and people is more motivated to add things than fix them.

In my experience, KDE is more responsive (especially under load) but its code base is less stable. It makes sense: Gnome is pretty minimalist in terms of available UI, uses JavaScript and shell scripts to provide integrations, and exposes quite a small native surface area.

On the other side, KDE consists of almost exclusively native (C++) code, although I believe some tools are written in Python. Great for performance, but C++ has a reputation for a reason.

For what it's worth, the last major release has been very stable. It has also always been stable for me on my Steam Deck. I have a feeling KDE's issues are similar to WordPress': external plugins hooking deep into the native API, making it seem like the software they're integrating with is unstable.

Re: KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”

#105

Post by dur-randir »

Anarch157a wrote: post #57
mrheosuper wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surprisingly Windows support this with their WSL2. It caught me off guard when i tried to run "nautilus" just for fun.

That's because WSL2 implements an X11 client and sets the DISPLAY variable. X11 network transparency does the rest. You can do the same on Linux, as long as you're to learn how X11 arcane permission system works.

`xhost +`

Problem solved

Re: KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

darkwater wrote: post #94
yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In fact, it was so unpopular that it inspired a fork of KDE 3: https://www.trinitydesktop.org/ (IMHO, later versions of KDE got good, but even today I understand the appeal of just sticking to the same thing)

And it still exists, by looking at the NEWS section! That's a long grudge to hold :)

I don't know that it's a grudge per se; people liked KDE 3, so they forked it and stayed on the working thing that they liked. Don't fix what isn't broken.

Re: KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”

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Post by p4bl0 »

jeroenhd wrote: post #102
Aardwolf wrote: post #71

Why "finally"? To me, KDE's job should be to organize and render windows, application launcher icons, and the like If I want a virtual machine, I'll use a virtual machine for that All this "KDE suite" stuff and what not is unnecesarry - some of these are good pieces of software that I like to use, but there's no reason they need any integration with a desktop environment (arguably a few basics like a file manager, VT…

KDE has been building tools for decades now. Browsers, email clients, contacts management, you name it. KDE 1 already included a file explorer and [was already developing an office suite at the time]( https://kde.org/announcements/1-2-3/1.0/ ). KDE's suite goes back to its very beginnings. Plasma is only a small part of KDE's toolkit, and that's why KDE is so popular. Hell, most of Plasma has no business being part o…

> KDE has been building tools for decades now. Browsers, email clients, contacts management, you name it.

Yes, and it has to be said that the most popular browser engine (used in Chrome, Safari, Opera, Edge, …) has its root in the KDE project as WebKit was originally a fork of KHTML :).

Re: KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”

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Post by EasyMark »

sph wrote: post #96
brokegrammer wrote: post #65

What KDE needs isn't new features but less bugs.

FWIW I have always complained about KDE's bugs, but since 6.3 I haven't suffered from anything major for the first time in a decade. Worth checking it out again if you haven't in a while.

Yeah it's solid, I usually only reboot my desktop once a month for updates and I can't recall the last time it crashed (desktop). Sure the occasional app will crash but I don't blame that on Plasma. The other thing I do is run an LTS version of Ubuntu, I got too old to be bothered with updating every 6 months

Re: KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”

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Post by EasyMark »

dengolius wrote: post #53

Do we really need another GUI for kvm/qemu? I thought https://cockpit-project.org cover the idea to develop something like Karton, but who am I to think so =)

I always welcome competition but virt-manager has been good enough for me for a while now.
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