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KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”

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Re: KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”

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Post by Aardwolf »

Why "finally"?

To me, KDE's job should be to organize and render windows, application launcher icons, and the like

If I want a virtual machine, I'll use a virtual machine for that

All this "KDE suite" stuff and what not is unnecesarry - some of these are good pieces of software that I like to use, but there's no reason they need any integration with a desktop environment (arguably a few basics like a file manager, VTE and plain text editor are expected and fine but in theory also can be wholly separate)

Also, any integration attempts like making the icons a common asset rather than each application have their own, _fail_ and make things worse, with these integrations applications less often have working icons at all, and more often have mistakes like black icons against a black background making them invisible

Re: KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”

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Post by zikduruqe »

teekert wrote: post #69
masom wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's really sad what happened with Gnome3. Gnome2 was a good functional desktop, sure it was copying the 2000s with windows 98/2000 style, but it worked. Hell, even OpenStep is more functional than Gnome3 as a daily computer interface. Gnome3 targeted a weird mix of incompatible devices, like a windows 8 interface, and kinda failed as a design given the devices it optimized for never took over the market. There's not…

FWIW (not much) but I love Gnome3.

I have my Arch Gnome3 setup that resembles a tiling window manager... a la as demonstrated by Typecraft - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1kZd1f724U

I used to run Hyperland but was tired of constantly tweaking it... so this is good and easy enough.

Re: KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”

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Post by jopicornell »

brokegrammer wrote: post #65

What KDE needs isn't new features but less bugs.

That's something I think as well. I've tried 4 times through the years, and KDE always felt less stable and solid than Gnome. I guess it's the configurability of KDE that makes it that way.

I like the concept, but I guess maintaining it is no easy task, and people is more motivated to add things than fix them.

Re: KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”

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Post by DocTomoe »

jopicornell wrote: post #74
brokegrammer wrote: post #65

What KDE needs isn't new features but less bugs.

That's something I think as well. I've tried 4 times through the years, and KDE always felt less stable and solid than Gnome. I guess it's the configurability of KDE that makes it that way. I like the concept, but I guess maintaining it is no easy task, and people is more motivated to add things than fix them.

KDE lost me when they moved from the relatively stable (and - let's face it - pretty Windows 9x-style) KDE 3.5 to KDE 4. It was promised as a quantum leap, but Plasma came over as unstable, unfinished, and lacking a lot of the functionality I came to love with the 3.5 stack.

In the end, I gave up, went to window managers instead to full DEs, then to i3, and now am on a Mac.

Still, I remember 3.5 fondly. The last good Linux Desktop Environment (Gnome tried so hard, but always was a bit too 'our way or the highway' when KDE allowed for some customization)

Re: KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”

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Post by jraph »

DocTomoe wrote: post #75
jopicornell wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's something I think as well. I've tried 4 times through the years, and KDE always felt less stable and solid than Gnome. I guess it's the configurability of KDE that makes it that way. I like the concept, but I guess maintaining it is no easy task, and people is more motivated to add things than fix them.

KDE lost me when they moved from the relatively stable (and - let's face it - pretty Windows 9x-style) KDE 3.5 to KDE 4. It was promised as a quantum leap, but Plasma came over as unstable, unfinished, and lacking a lot of the functionality I came to love with the 3.5 stack. In the end, I gave up, went to window managers instead to full DEs, then to i3, and now am on a Mac. Still, I remember 3.5 fondly. The last good…

Early versions of KDE 4.0 were terrible, and it lasted for a couple of years, but I've found later versions quite solid. Early versions of KDE 5 were relatively stable but were lacking features. I find late 5.X versions and all 6.X version quite robust.

There are still bugs but they do seem to be ironing them out, they go in the right direction.

The only big bugs I notice these days are the occasionnal plasmashell crashes but it comes back on its own. KWin doesn't crash and that's fortunate because on Wayland, that would bring down non KDE apps.

I exclusively use plasma, I'm quite sensitive to instabilities, it's not an issue for me with KDE.

I did avoid the first years of KDE 4 and was using GNOME at that time.

Have you tried Trinity?

Re: KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”

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Post by usrnm »

DocTomoe wrote: post #75
jopicornell wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's something I think as well. I've tried 4 times through the years, and KDE always felt less stable and solid than Gnome. I guess it's the configurability of KDE that makes it that way. I like the concept, but I guess maintaining it is no easy task, and people is more motivated to add things than fix them.

KDE lost me when they moved from the relatively stable (and - let's face it - pretty Windows 9x-style) KDE 3.5 to KDE 4. It was promised as a quantum leap, but Plasma came over as unstable, unfinished, and lacking a lot of the functionality I came to love with the 3.5 stack. In the end, I gave up, went to window managers instead to full DEs, then to i3, and now am on a Mac. Still, I remember 3.5 fondly. The last good…

KDE 3 to KDE 4 transition really was painful, it pushed me away as well, but it also happened over 15 years ago. I gave it a shot a few years back, and it was great, much better than modern-day Gnome in my opinion.

Re: KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”

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Post by teekert »

zikduruqe wrote: post #72
teekert wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FWIW (not much) but I love Gnome3.

I have my Arch Gnome3 setup that resembles a tiling window manager... a la as demonstrated by Typecraft - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1kZd1f724U I used to run Hyperland but was tired of constantly tweaking it... so this is good and easy enough.

Nice, I still want to dive into Niri or PaperWM (Niri is inspired by PaperWM but more minimal, needs Wayland and written in Rust where PaperWM is a WM on top of Gnome).

I hear good things about COSMIC as well. But I'm too busy being productive at the moment to mess up my well working NixOS/Vanilla-Gnome based laptop :)

Re: KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”

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Post by ppseafield »

alexey-salmin wrote: post #37
Narishma wrote: post #24

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KDE 4 was the bad one, not 3.

Never understood that part really. I was using KDE 4 since 3.97rc2 (which wasn't easy to install and still had some glitches) and absolutely loved it.

I wanted to use KDE 4 when it released, but it kept crashing on my machine. I would update it every once in a while and try again but issue would always pop up. By the time "plasma 4.4 is stable" was declared, I had lost interest and started using tiling window managers .

That said KDE 6 is pretty solid. I rarely have issues with it.

Re: KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”

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Post by MegaDeKay »

usrnm wrote: post #77
DocTomoe wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

KDE lost me when they moved from the relatively stable (and - let's face it - pretty Windows 9x-style) KDE 3.5 to KDE 4. It was promised as a quantum leap, but Plasma came over as unstable, unfinished, and lacking a lot of the functionality I came to love with the 3.5 stack. In the end, I gave up, went to window managers instead to full DEs, then to i3, and now am on a Mac. Still, I remember 3.5 fondly. The last good…

KDE 3 to KDE 4 transition really was painful, it pushed me away as well, but it also happened over 15 years ago. I gave it a shot a few years back, and it was great, much better than modern-day Gnome in my opinion.

Thanks for stating this. It puzzles me how people can still hold a grudge against the transition to KDE4 that happened back in early 2008. It took a while but even KDE4 got pretty good. KDE6 is great and if you follow Nate Graham's blog, you can see the improvements that go into it every week.

https://blogs.kde.org/authors/nategraham/

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