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East German Stasi Tactics – Zersetzung (2021)

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Post by chgs »

briandear wrote: post #61
flohofwoe wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That looked more like an attempt to overthrow a democractically elected government by a mob of primitive brutes than 'political protest' to me tbh.

If anyone was attempting to overthrow anything, they would have been well armed. Not strolling around as if on a guided tour. Nobody overthrows a government by carrying protest signs. And grandmas aren’t using hanging out on the “front lines” taking photos with their iPhone. The leftist rioters that attacked police stations and burned courthouses — that looked a lot more like an insurrection to me. https://youtu.be/Y…

Where the hell does this revisionist history come from?

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Post by chgs »

dmos62 wrote: post #94
chgs wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only because of the invention of western platforms tuned by the brightest minds in the world to enable the maximum amount of brainwashing

That's not true. Old-school disinformation platforms like TV, bought political parties, etc., worked and still work fine for disinformation and division. If you're not familiar with the subject, you'd be surprised just how inventive these campaigns can be.

Not as well as the modern adtech industry. Radio and TV were child’s play in comparison.

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Post by foldr »

okeuro49 wrote: post #25

In the UK there is "social media intelligence", where AI systems scan the firehose of messages as they appear. [1] So people have been arrested for posting something online, even if nobody appears to have seen it, and they delete it shortly after. The policing is selective, depending on political view. For example, there were recently people with placards in London calling for the death of JK Rowling, which is de fac…

> The difference is so noticeable, it is now called "two tier policing".

That’s what Elon Musk calls it. In fact, the difference in the case you mention is simply that:

(i) Inciting racial hatred is a specific offense which doesn’t require a credible death threat. There is no offense of inciting hatred against TERFs. Like that or don’t – but the police don’t make the laws.

(ii) The context of Connolly posting during the riots in which actual violent crimes against minority groups were being committed.

Re: East German Stasi Tactics – Zersetzung (2021)

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Post by saagarjha »

okeuro49 wrote: post #25

In the UK there is "social media intelligence", where AI systems scan the firehose of messages as they appear. [1] So people have been arrested for posting something online, even if nobody appears to have seen it, and they delete it shortly after. The policing is selective, depending on political view. For example, there were recently people with placards in London calling for the death of JK Rowling, which is de fac…

You put hateful in quotes but I do want to point out that this is the tweet from the thing you linked:

> Mass deportation now, set fire to all the f*** hotels full of the bastards for all I care …. I feel physically sick knowing what these families will now have to endure. If that makes me racist so be it

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Post by mrtksn »

okeuro49 wrote: post #25

In the UK there is "social media intelligence", where AI systems scan the firehose of messages as they appear. [1] So people have been arrested for posting something online, even if nobody appears to have seen it, and they delete it shortly after. The policing is selective, depending on political view. For example, there were recently people with placards in London calling for the death of JK Rowling, which is de fac…

That's disturbing. Instead of the govt. going after people we should enable people going after people.

That's how it's done in real life and that's how we protect ourselves from arsholes in real life. That's why the police is only involved when some actual danger is present, you are not expected to just endure the constant harassment.

IMHO someone being a complete cunt and you not having a recourse is also not acceptable. It's terrorizing people, there must be a mechanism to stop these people and that mechanism should not be police intervention.

The things they do should somehow stick to their name for example or you should be able to go after them just as brutally. Honestly, I like 4Chans way with dealing with people much more than restricted, moderated police involved crap that the Web has become. Someone built a following, then they harass people but your only recourse is legal stuff and you can't do doxxing, can't use bad words etc because you get banned/demoted/shadowbanned/rate-limited. It's not working, it's destroying the society.

For example, the women jailed for just tweeting plead guilt that she was spreading materials with intention to stir racial hatred. In a real life such person will be quickly stopped one way or another, she will be confronted and then removed or ignored. If her material is actually good, it will be noted and supported and the issue resolved. Online is not like that people with agenda lie, spam and annoy people without facing a pushback or consequences. It's not a real discussion, it's not real problem solving.

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Post by vkou »

cruzcampo wrote: post #31
paganel wrote: post #3

> than political grassroots activists have today in places such as Western Europe and North America That (2021) from the title is on the mark, as I think that by now, 2025, it has been made quite obvious that political protests in the West can only get up to a certain point, after which you risk prison, job loss or a combination of the two (even bough January 6 and the associated political repression took place in ea…

January 6 was an attempted coup de etat and high treason, not a protest. It was not persecuted nearly enough - participants would've deserved the death penalty.

The part of it that took place at the rally was a protest. A lot of people attended it, and went home.

The fraction of them that went on to break into the capitol was a failed coup.

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Post by lazide »

mrtksn wrote: post #105
okeuro49 wrote: post #25

In the UK there is "social media intelligence", where AI systems scan the firehose of messages as they appear. [1] So people have been arrested for posting something online, even if nobody appears to have seen it, and they delete it shortly after. The policing is selective, depending on political view. For example, there were recently people with placards in London calling for the death of JK Rowling, which is de fac…

That's disturbing. Instead of the govt. going after people we should enable people going after people. That's how it's done in real life and that's how we protect ourselves from arsholes in real life. That's why the police is only involved when some actual danger is present, you are not expected to just endure the constant harassment. IMHO someone being a complete cunt and you not having a recourse is also not accept…

Just wait until you see the difference in how the police treat someone between defending yourself and attacking someone in the UK. Note: Don’t try to defend yourself if you know what’s good for you.

Re: East German Stasi Tactics – Zersetzung (2021)

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Post by lazide »

walterbell wrote: post #95
chgs wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you think an enhanced dbs check can affect your job wait to see what posting on social media will do.

Censoring of messengers can destroy early warning signals of systemic risks.

That’s the point, eh?

Re: East German Stasi Tactics – Zersetzung (2021)

#109

Post by lazide »

dmos62 wrote: post #75
Helmut10001 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a tenant who has been living in my garden house for two years without paying rent. It is almost impossible to solve this situation. I am not even allowed to turn off the water or electricity. There are always two sides to every coin.

That sucks. What law protects your renter?

Squatting laws, sounds like.

Re: East German Stasi Tactics – Zersetzung (2021)

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Post by n4r9 »

saagarjha wrote: post #104
okeuro49 wrote: post #25

In the UK there is "social media intelligence", where AI systems scan the firehose of messages as they appear. [1] So people have been arrested for posting something online, even if nobody appears to have seen it, and they delete it shortly after. The policing is selective, depending on political view. For example, there were recently people with placards in London calling for the death of JK Rowling, which is de fac…

You put hateful in quotes but I do want to point out that this is the tweet from the thing you linked: > Mass deportation now, set fire to all the f*** hotels full of the bastards for all I care …. I feel physically sick knowing what these families will now have to endure. If that makes me racist so be it

The context also needs to be noted. This was part of the social media storm that whipped up a wave of right-wing, racist hatred and violence in the wake of the Southport riots. No such waves of violence have sprung out of trans activism.
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