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East German Stasi Tactics – Zersetzung (2021)

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Re: East German Stasi Tactics – Zersetzung (2021)

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> than political grassroots activists have today in places such as Western Europe and North America

That (2021) from the title is on the mark, as I think that by now, 2025, it has been made quite obvious that political protests in the West can only get up to a certain point, after which you risk prison, job loss or a combination of the two (even bough January 6 and the associated political repression took place in early 2021, so maybe the author should have already been aware of it)

Re: East German Stasi Tactics – Zersetzung (2021)

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It's remarkable how quickly Communism collapsed in Eastern Europe the moment Soviet support went.

Despite decades of intense propaganda, killings of people in uprisings and the methods of Stasi as described in the article.

Even with all that effort most people didn't believe in the regime.

So it's hard to say whether the Stasi's tactics worked. Only people in the regimes like Ceausescu and Honecker actually thought people liked it. And perhaps not even them.

Re: East German Stasi Tactics – Zersetzung (2021)

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The section at the end about support and solidarity is the most important bit.

Personally, I feel like Zersetzung has already been a thing in the US since at least 2014. Modern social media is very, very good at getting people to shout at each other and do nothing. People don't talk to each other, they shout to themselves while watching the telescreen.

Re: East German Stasi Tactics – Zersetzung (2021)

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Time and again we see how half-assed dictatorships don't work. Soviet Union and the Eastern Block failed because they tried to be nice. By doing so, they achieved the worst result possible: cynical, profoundly disillusioned society and an economic failure on top of that. They should've either folded when they realised that "classless and stateless" Communism was never going to work - which is, by the late 1970s at the latest, or practiced pure Stalinism where everyone who wavered, got purged in an instant and thus generations kept being genetically filtered for obedience.

There is no such thing as "Socialism with a human face". It is so anti-human, it can only exist by hard coercion, or not at all.

Re: East German Stasi Tactics – Zersetzung (2021)

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Article mirror: https://archive.is/d1rzC

Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zersetzung

2014, https://www.ted.com/talks/hubertus_knabe_the_dark_secrets_of...

> Hubertus Knabe studies the Stasi — and was spied on by them. He shares stunning details from the fall of a surveillance state, and shows how easy it was for neighbor to turn on neighbor.

Re: East German Stasi Tactics – Zersetzung (2021)

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post #4

It's remarkable how quickly Communism collapsed in Eastern Europe the moment Soviet support went. Despite decades of intense propaganda, killings of people in uprisings and the methods of Stasi as described in the article. Even with all that effort most people didn't believe in the regime. So it's hard to say whether the Stasi's tactics worked. Only people in the regimes like Ceausescu and Honecker actually thought p…

If people believed in the regime, they wouldn't have needed a Stasi to impose it upon them.

Re: East German Stasi Tactics – Zersetzung (2021)

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post #3

> than political grassroots activists have today in places such as Western Europe and North America That (2021) from the title is on the mark, as I think that by now, 2025, it has been made quite obvious that political protests in the West can only get up to a certain point, after which you risk prison, job loss or a combination of the two (even bough January 6 and the associated political repression took place in ea…

It was, of course, quite unfortunate that the footsoldiers carrying out an illegal coup faced sanction, while their leaders got off scot-free. (Well, most of them, Guiliani seems to be deeply fucked, and now that he's no longer useful to the regime, has been thrown overboard.)

(I'm sure someone will now chime in to explain to us how no, it's quite normal for a mob that's trying to overturn the results of a democratic election to break into a capital building while congress is in session, putting it under lockdown. And then someone else will chime in how it's exactly like a bunch of college students protesting by sitting down in the hallways of a campus building that they on any normal day have full access to and refusing to leave.)

Incidentally, the organizers of that putsch are now imprisoning people without trial in foreign concentration camps, and are refusing court orders to have them released. This is also, of course, above-board behaviour, and demonstrates that they have nothing but the deepest respect for both the law, the democratic process, and the checks and balances that safeguard us.

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