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AGI Is Still 30 Years Away – Ege Erdil and Tamay Besiroglu

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Re: AGI Is Still 30 Years Away – Ege Erdil and Tamay Besiroglu

#101

I just used o3 to design a distributed scheduler that scales to 1M+ sxchedules a day. It was perfect, and did better than two weeks of thought around the best way to build this.

Designing a distributed scheduler is a solved problem, of course an LLM was able to spit out a solution.

as noted elsewhere, all other frontier models failed miserably at this

Re: AGI Is Still 30 Years Away – Ege Erdil and Tamay Besiroglu

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yeah unless you have very specific requirements I think the baseline here is not building/designing it yourself but setting up an off-the-shelf commercial or OSS solution, which I doubt would take two weeks...

Dunno, in work we wanted to implement a task runner that we could use to periodically queue tasks through a web UI - it would then spin up resources on AWS and track the progress and archive the results. We looked at the existing solutions, and concluded that customizing them to meet all our requirements would be a giant effort. Meanwhile I fed the requirement doc into Claude Sonnet, and with about 3 days of promptin…

the future is more custom software designed by ai, not less. alot of frameworks will disappear once you can build sophisticated systems yourself. people are missing this

Re: AGI Is Still 30 Years Away – Ege Erdil and Tamay Besiroglu

#103
post #65

I'll take the "under" on 30 years. Demis Hassabis (who has more credibility than whoever these 3 people are combined) says 5-10 years: https://time.com/7277608/demis-hassabis-interview-time100-20...

We will never have the required compute by then.

Re: AGI Is Still 30 Years Away – Ege Erdil and Tamay Besiroglu

#104
post #93
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am tech founder, who spends most of my day in my own startup deploying LLM-based tools into my own operations, and I'm maybe 1% of the way through the roadmap I'd like to build with what exists and is possible to do today.

What has your roadmap to do with the capabilities? LLMs still hallucinate and make simple mistakes. And the progress seams to be in the benchmarks only https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43603453

The parent was contradicting the idea that the existing AI capabilities have already been "digested". I agree with them btw.

> And the progress seams to be in the benchmarks only

This seems to be mostly wrong given peoples' reactions to e.g. o3 that was released today. Either way, progress having stalled for the last year doesn't seem that big considering how much progress there has been for the previous 15-20 years.

Re: AGI Is Still 30 Years Away – Ege Erdil and Tamay Besiroglu

#105

I just used o3 to design a distributed scheduler that scales to 1M+ sxchedules a day. It was perfect, and did better than two weeks of thought around the best way to build this.

“It does something well” ≠ “it will become AGI”.

Your anodectical example isn't more convincing than “This machine cracked Enigma's messages in less time than an army of cryptanalysts over a month, surely we're gonna reach AGI by the end of the decade” would have.

Re: AGI Is Still 30 Years Away – Ege Erdil and Tamay Besiroglu

#106

And in 30 years it will be another 30 years away. LLMs are so incredibly useful and powerful but they will NEVER be AGI. I actually wonder if the success of (and subsequent obsession with) LLMs is putting true AGI further out of reach. All that these AI companies see are the $$$. When the biggest "AI Research Labs" like OpenAI shifted to product-izing their LLM offerings I think the writing was on the wall that they…

People will keep improving LLMs, and by the time they are AGI (less than 30 years), you will say, "Well, these are no longer LLMs."

Looking back at CUDA, deep learning, and now LLM hypes, I would bet it'll be cycles of giant groundbreaking leaps followed by giant complete stagnations, rather than LLM improving 3% per year for coming 30 years.

Re: AGI Is Still 30 Years Away – Ege Erdil and Tamay Besiroglu

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post #20
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like it's already been pretty well digested and excreted for the most part, now we're into the re-ingestion phase until the bubble bursts.

I am tech founder, who spends most of my day in my own startup deploying LLM-based tools into my own operations, and I'm maybe 1% of the way through the roadmap I'd like to build with what exists and is possible to do today.

> and I'm maybe 1% of the way through the roadmap I'd like to build with what exists and is possible to do today.

How do you know they are possible to do today? Errors gets much worse at scale, especially when systems starts to depend on each other, so it is hard to say what can be automated and not.

Like if you have a process A->B, automating A might be fine as long as a human does B and vice versa, but automating both could not be.

Re: AGI Is Still 30 Years Away – Ege Erdil and Tamay Besiroglu

#109

I just used o3 to design a distributed scheduler that scales to 1M+ sxchedules a day. It was perfect, and did better than two weeks of thought around the best way to build this.

While impressive, I'm not convinced that improved performance on tasks of this nature are indicative of progress toward AGI. Building a scheduler is a well studied problem space. Something like the ARC benchmark is much more indicative of progress toward true AGI, but probably still insufficient.

The point is that AGI is the wrong bar to be aiming for. LLMs are sufficiently useful at their current state that even if it does take us 30 years to get to AGI, even just incremental improvements from now until then, they'll still be useful enough to provide value to users/customers for some companies to win big. VC funding will run out and some companies won't make it, but some of them will, to the delight of their investors. AGI when? is an interesting question, but might just be academic. we have self driving cars, weight loss drugs that work, reusable rockets, and useful computer AI. We're living in the future, man, and robot maids are just around the corner.

Re: AGI Is Still 30 Years Away – Ege Erdil and Tamay Besiroglu

#110
post #39

And in 30 years it will be another 30 years away. LLMs are so incredibly useful and powerful but they will NEVER be AGI. I actually wonder if the success of (and subsequent obsession with) LLMs is putting true AGI further out of reach. All that these AI companies see are the $$$. When the biggest "AI Research Labs" like OpenAI shifted to product-izing their LLM offerings I think the writing was on the wall that they…

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