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Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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> So far nobody in the United States is looking for alternatives to European services and products

Apart from the president, intent on starting a trade war?

US imports are going to be made more expensive because of tit-for-tat tariffs, so of course people are starting to look around elsewhere for alternatives.

What did you expect would happen when your government starts down the road of isolationist policies?

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Interesting to see this in B2B, which is normally unemotional about choice of supplier. But the business risk is now real, especially when you consider GDPR safe harbour.

I've seen this once before a few years ago with Huawei stuff. Shouting to the Board of Directors at any company about security risks and geopol implications usually meant screaming into a void. "But their HQ is here." "We have a solid security annex in the contract!" "Their sales person was here and he promised me." Classic lawyer C-suite talk. But when the attitude started shifting billions were thrown around to mov…

Herd behavior in CEOs is a very strong problem. It's one thing to make a mistake, but if you make a different unorthodox choice and something goes wrong then it looks especially bad.

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The very interesting question will then be : how many people _do_ switch ? For the personnal tools, people have lots of leeway (change mail provider, search engine, ai chatbot, etc...) For the enterprise, I really wonder how you defend a "let's migrate our infra from AWS to X" in general, even for technological reason or business reason ; I don't even know how you start a conversation like "aws works fine for us, but…

It is not about politics any more. It is about trust.

mmmm these two things are very deeply linked in that politics creates trust and bad policy very easily removes global trust just like personal relationships (literally what we're seeing in the US).

i live in asia - indonesian vs vietnam foreign policy (despite problems in domestic policy) has shown how vast the difference in policy can generate foreign trust which lead to manufacturing which lead to a lot more money being brought to VN overall.

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Not sure how much it gets consumed, but many places in Germany rather sell Fritz-Kola only.

But in big supermarket chains you overwhelmingly find Coca Cola or the cheap house brand of the chain, at least when it is about big bottles or sixpacks. Sure, supermarkets like Edeka may also have alternatives like Afri Cola or what those are called, but big masses are Coca Cola.

As mentioned, not sure how much it gets consumed currently, lets see if we start going the Canada way.

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Not sure how much it gets consumed, but many places in Germany rather sell Fritz-Kola only.

Coca-Cola completely dominates retail in Germany. The most recent numbers I could find[1] are from 2018, but I have no reason to believe the situation, you know, flipped on its head -- the top 3 lemonades were Coke, Coke Zero and Coke light, making up about 75% of the market. In 2022[2] Fritz had 2.9% market share. Maybe the market share is higher in restaurants, though I'd be shocked if it Fritz was even at 25%. [1]…

Thanks for the overview, naturally tarifs might change that, see Canada, no US products any longer on big chains.

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The United States promoted globalization, and the United States ended the process of globalization.

Globalisation in itself wouldn't be as bad, if the profits were equally distributed. But most often globalisation just means taking away worker and consumers protections so mega corporations can outsource manufacturing/labour/services to cheaper countries with low or no environmental / social protections.

Before Globalisation of markets there must be a globalization of citizen rights to the highest standards.

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Not sure why you are being downvoted so harshly.

A bit less globalism in terms of shipping consumer products across the world isn't such a bad thing. Continents becoming more self sustainable and consuming the products they can produce, only importing those things that it really needs. Advocados are not mandatory in our diet.

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Would be interesting to see a "Non-US Alternatives" site, just to see what's out there in Canada, Australia, China etc.

Like these?

* https://european-alternatives.eu

* https://dataethics.eu/european-tech-alternatives/

* https://www.privacyguides.org/articles/2025/03/19/private-eu...

* https://dev.to/devlinkstudios/top-20-european-alternatives-t...

India has its own, now slightly faltering, Indian alternatives movement that came out of the border conflict with China a few years ago.

* https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/gadgets-news/indian-alte...

* https://socinator.com/blog/indian-alternatives-to-chinese-ap...

* https://techbaked.com/best-indian-alternatives-to-china-apps...

* https://www.thenewsminute.com/atom/all-you-need-know-about-t...

* https://tech.hindustantimes.com/tech/news/tiktok-is-gone-but...

There is a lot more in this vein from India during 2020 to 2021.

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Unfortunately yes. Our biggest company is Novo Nordisk, a company that sells weightloss drugs to Americans. It narrowly beats out LVMH, a company that sells luxury goods to Americans.

Novo Nordisk, probably. But surely LVMH's revenue is very diversified globally? The Middle-East and Asia are big markets for them. On top of that they're luxury goods, their bought for their prestige. Barely anyone uses AWS for such reasons. Good luck convincing the wealthy in the US that some new US brand is a good replacement for their Louis Vuitton bags, Moët champagne and Bulgari watches. The US has lots of ultra…

You are correct, and I am being facetious. I would still rather we produce things like AWS, however. While it's more substitutable, it is so because the value is more rational and inherent.
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