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South Korean regulator accuses DeepSeek of sharing user data with ByteDance

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Re: South Korean regulator accuses DeepSeek of sharing user data with ByteDance

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Post by vineyardmike »

someNameIG wrote: post #87
ahoog42 wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We analyzed the iOS app[1] and observed similar traffic as well as a number of basic security issues (hardcoded encryption keys, use of 3DES and some traffic over HTTP). [1] https://www.nowsecure.com/blog/2025/02/06/nowsecure-uncovers...

I thought Apple disallowed apps using HTTP years ago?

Apple disallowed HTTP by default, you can flip a bit in the config to allowlist some/all endpoints to HTTP. Not clear what the App Store actually does when reviewing this info when you submit.

Re: South Korean regulator accuses DeepSeek of sharing user data with ByteDance

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Post by somenameforme »

tough wrote: post #73
pepinator wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, exactly, what the guy above was saying is that they're just looking for excuses to keep people from using the Chinese thing.

Protectionism can be dumb, if competition from china is decimation the US LLM market, making the cheaper better competitors illegal sounds like sound advice to someone like trump, probably?

Or Obama. See: Wolf Amendment. [1]

Following typical tropes about China, "we" decided to ban space cooperation with them because they were just going to steal American space tech or whatever. That's why, to this day, you never see Chinese on the ISS. Of course China then became the 2nd largest player in space, behind only SpaceX, launched and manned their own space station, sent a rover to Mars, carried out unprecedented sample return missions from the dark side of the Moon, and just generally ran circles around the US sans SpaceX.

If it wasn't for this dumb law, it's likely NASA would have been able to use Russia, China, and SpaceX as redundancies for getting Americans to the ISS as one country/company fell out of favor with this administration or that. As was we ended up turning to Boeing for a redundancy. For those that don't follow space news, the 2 astronauts Boeing [barely] sent to the ISS are still stranded up there after their vessel was deemed too dangerous to return in.

I oft wondered what it would have been like to live in Rome circa 460.

[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf_Amendment

Re: South Korean regulator accuses DeepSeek of sharing user data with ByteDance

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Post by aboardRat4 »

suraci wrote: post #98
nwiswell wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> i'm the one who set the password You, personally, set the password to a public internet-facing database to 'abc123'? And if you really did, how much do you estimate that increased your 'velocity'?

you built a internal project, co-hosted with a database, with a password 'abc123' a month later, your manager decided to share it with other teams, the decision was made in a meeting which you're not invited when the manager came to you, you asked: - how about give me a week to make it a saas, with authn/authz - no, we don't have the time, just tell them the endpoint and the password another month later, something ch…

And virtual network peering requires a license in China anyway.

Re: South Korean regulator accuses DeepSeek of sharing user data with ByteDance

#104

Post by vineyardmike »

nomel wrote: post #69
yalogin wrote: post #51

Shouldn't this be the other way around? TikTok has the most user data for any LLM to train with. I bet they will make a killing with it, unless of course the CCP decrees that they share it for free.

What useful textual user data do you see coming from TikTok? All the text seems very low quality, to the point where I naively assume that including it in training data would decrease performance.

As the sibling commenter mentioned, the video data itself is useful as we see a rise in multimodal models, but also..

(1) all videos are captioned, automatically then often again by the content creator manually. This data alone is extremely valuable for training purposes.

(2) the videos contain great information about slang terms, and youth vernacular. Which is unique data that is harder to find elsewhere.

(3) young people seem to use TikTok as a search engine, so presumably some of the videos' content must be explicitly valuable enough as an information source, similar to YouTube.

Re: South Korean regulator accuses DeepSeek of sharing user data with ByteDance

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Post by apt-apt-apt-apt »

vineyardmike wrote: post #101
someNameIG wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought Apple disallowed apps using HTTP years ago?

Apple disallowed HTTP by default, you can flip a bit in the config to allowlist some/all endpoints to HTTP. Not clear what the App Store actually does when reviewing this info when you submit.

Before you submit, not when or after

Re: South Korean regulator accuses DeepSeek of sharing user data with ByteDance

#106

Post by tough »

somenameforme wrote: post #102
tough wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Protectionism can be dumb, if competition from china is decimation the US LLM market, making the cheaper better competitors illegal sounds like sound advice to someone like trump, probably?

Or Obama. See: Wolf Amendment. [1] Following typical tropes about China, "we" decided to ban space cooperation with them because they were just going to steal American space tech or whatever. That's why, to this day, you never see Chinese on the ISS. Of course China then became the 2nd largest player in space, behind only SpaceX, launched and manned their own space station, sent a rover to Mars, carried out unprecede…

yeah mostly picking on trump due to recent absurd tariffs logic (see: europe VAT lmfao)

anyways, hoping its not so bad!

Re: South Korean regulator accuses DeepSeek of sharing user data with ByteDance

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Post by samplatt »

gruez wrote: post #65
SecretDreams wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could literally talk about beyblade toys on a whatsapp video call and you'll be getting Amazon ads for dem blades the next day.

There's basically no credible evidence of this happening. All there is are vague anecdotes which are easily explained with confirmation bias and/or the birthday paradox.

Weird hill to die on, man. Like, sure credible evidence is one of the most important things in the world... but what, are you honestly saying that you're going to be surprised if WhatsApp turned out to be leaking data?

We don't need the pitchforks just yet, sure, but shit, you have to remain realistic about these things.

Re: South Korean regulator accuses DeepSeek of sharing user data with ByteDance

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Post by xarope »

suraci wrote: post #98
nwiswell wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> i'm the one who set the password You, personally, set the password to a public internet-facing database to 'abc123'? And if you really did, how much do you estimate that increased your 'velocity'?

you built a internal project, co-hosted with a database, with a password 'abc123' a month later, your manager decided to share it with other teams, the decision was made in a meeting which you're not invited when the manager came to you, you asked: - how about give me a week to make it a saas, with authn/authz - no, we don't have the time, just tell them the endpoint and the password another month later, something ch…

I literally can hear Jimmy Yang as Jian Yang in Silicon Valley narrate this...!

Re: South Korean regulator accuses DeepSeek of sharing user data with ByteDance

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Post by cscurmudgeon »

gruez wrote: post #81
alexey-salmin wrote: post #80

Plot twist: all these people sharing on twitter yet another creative way of mentioning Xi and Tiananmen in a conversation without triggering the protection (count to 11 in roman numbers, leetspeak etc) were in fact collecting the training data for the nextgen LLM-based protection. Well played!

People had the same theory for chatgpt, except rather than Xi and Tiananmen, it was how to make meth and anti-"woke" topics.

A US Tiananmen-comparable example would be ChatGPT censoring George Floyd's death or killing of Native Americans, etc. ChatGPT doesn't censor these topics

Re: South Korean regulator accuses DeepSeek of sharing user data with ByteDance

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Post by ta988 »

alexey-salmin wrote: post #80

Plot twist: all these people sharing on twitter yet another creative way of mentioning Xi and Tiananmen in a conversation without triggering the protection (count to 11 in roman numbers, leetspeak etc) were in fact collecting the training data for the nextgen LLM-based protection. Well played!

Yes, they probably all do that. Anthropic primised to pay the winner that broke all their protections. That way they get tens of thousands of free workers trying to get the money. Much cheaper than $300k engineers.
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