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South Korean regulator accuses DeepSeek of sharing user data with ByteDance

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Re: South Korean regulator accuses DeepSeek of sharing user data with ByteDance

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Post by vaidhy »

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #83
gruez wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>1. DeepSeek is full of propaganda/censorship ( https://arstechnica.com/ai/2025/01/the-questions-the-chinese ...) Your source doesn't even mention "propaganda". Moreover, while censorship is concerning is concerning, I don't see how that practically affects users. If I want to know how to center a div, who cares if it's cagey about what happened in 1989? "Western" AI is also arguably full of "propaganda/censorship".…

> "Western" AI is also arguably full of "propaganda/censorship". Remember when chatgpt just came out, and conservatives were lambasting it for being "woke"? Clearly a false equivalence. You think government propaganda compelled by a dictatorship with access to a military and nukes is the same thing?

Which government are you talking about? Like the US banned tiktok because Israel did not like it [1]?

Let us be honest here.. China censors directly. US censors indirectly through the private companies [2] and through covert use of force [3]. If you had a pro-Russian stance in 2022 or pro-Palestine stance, you will see your content censored in very subtle ways in US.

1. https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/tiktok-ban-fueled-by-israe... 2. https://indi.ca/why-i-left-medium-they-defenestrated-me/ 3. https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/the-fbi-knocked-on-my-door

It is surprising how people in US cannot see the disinformation campaign they are being subjected to.

Re: South Korean regulator accuses DeepSeek of sharing user data with ByteDance

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Post by SecretDreams »

gruez wrote: post #65
SecretDreams wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could literally talk about beyblade toys on a whatsapp video call and you'll be getting Amazon ads for dem blades the next day.

There's basically no credible evidence of this happening. All there is are vague anecdotes which are easily explained with confirmation bias and/or the birthday paradox.

How much did Zuckerberg pay for WhatsApp again?

Re: South Korean regulator accuses DeepSeek of sharing user data with ByteDance

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Post by frontfor »

suraci wrote: post #88
aboardRat4 wrote: post #72

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Firstly, Bytedance is far more than just Tiktok. Secondly, most data in China is shared among most companies anyway, because, firstly, the government (not necessarily CCP) orders most companies to share data with "technological leaders" and "strategically important" companies, and secondly because computer security is mostly an alien concept to Chinese. Copyright (broadly speaking, most restrictions on unrestricted d…

> computer security is mostly an alien concept to Chinese. that's the main reason i don't know how the situation is elsewhere, but in China, 2/3 of startups expose their databases on public network with a password 'abc123'

How do you know that?

Re: South Korean regulator accuses DeepSeek of sharing user data with ByteDance

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Post by suraci »

frontfor wrote: post #93
suraci wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> computer security is mostly an alien concept to Chinese. that's the main reason i don't know how the situation is elsewhere, but in China, 2/3 of startups expose their databases on public network with a password 'abc123'

How do you know that?

i'm the one who set the password

security is not a requirement for many startups, velocity is

Re: South Korean regulator accuses DeepSeek of sharing user data with ByteDance

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Post by cwmoore »

nextworddev wrote: post #86
nomel wrote: post #69

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What useful textual user data do you see coming from TikTok? All the text seems very low quality, to the point where I naively assume that including it in training data would decrease performance.

arguably video data is more valuable

whoosh

Re: South Korean regulator accuses DeepSeek of sharing user data with ByteDance

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Post by nwiswell »

suraci wrote: post #94
frontfor wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you know that?

i'm the one who set the password security is not a requirement for many startups, velocity is

> i'm the one who set the password

You, personally, set the password to a public internet-facing database to 'abc123'?

And if you really did, how much do you estimate that increased your 'velocity'?

Re: South Korean regulator accuses DeepSeek of sharing user data with ByteDance

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Post by gruez »

SecretDreams wrote: post #92
gruez wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's basically no credible evidence of this happening. All there is are vague anecdotes which are easily explained with confirmation bias and/or the birthday paradox.

How much did Zuckerberg pay for WhatsApp again?

If the argument is that there's no credible evidence, retorting with a vague question doesn't really help your case. If anything it reinforces the original claim that there's no credible evidence.

Re: South Korean regulator accuses DeepSeek of sharing user data with ByteDance

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Post by suraci »

nwiswell wrote: post #96
suraci wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i'm the one who set the password security is not a requirement for many startups, velocity is

> i'm the one who set the password You, personally, set the password to a public internet-facing database to 'abc123'? And if you really did, how much do you estimate that increased your 'velocity'?

you built a internal project, co-hosted with a database, with a password 'abc123'

a month later, your manager decided to share it with other teams, the decision was made in a meeting which you're not invited

when the manager came to you, you asked:

- how about give me a week to make it a saas, with authn/authz

- no, we don't have the time, just tell them the endpoint and the password

another month later, something changed, your company built a partership with another company, your manager decided to share the project with teams in the other company

you asked:

- how about we do something like virtual network peering so that we can share a connected network with our parter

- it's complex, we can not change the network status of our partner, and we don't have a responsible role for this work, just give them the endpoint and the password

password 'abc123' is just a analogy, in this case, there's no password at all

Re: South Korean regulator accuses DeepSeek of sharing user data with ByteDance

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Post by Marsymars »

SecretDreams wrote: post #90
sitkack wrote: post #52

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WhatsApp is secured by Signal encryption

That's nice. I'll remember that next time I talk about beyblades to a friend in WhatsApp and see adds for them on Reddit the next day.

The truth is even worse; reddit has enough of a profile built on you that they can predict your penchant for beyblades without even needing your whatsapp chats.

Re: South Korean regulator accuses DeepSeek of sharing user data with ByteDance

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Post by inetknght »

lolinder wrote: post #48
bolognafairy wrote: post #46

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No, but they let you leverage it.

Which is in this case a pretty important distinction. Letting another company leverage user data within the bounding zone which you've defined is not the same thing as is being alleged here, which is actually sharing data. It's quite literally the difference between exposing a public API and actually handing over the contents of the database.

> Letting another company leverage user data within the bounding zone which you've defined is not the same thing as is being alleged here, which is actually sharing data.

Both are real violations of users.

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