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Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by lupusreal »

fl0id wrote: post #72
lccerina wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"MNC don't force you to pay taxes", well 30% fee on products bought, sorry "licensed", on their app stores seem like a tax to me

this. also any profit margins sure are a "tax" in that comparison. Only you don't even get a public service for it, however bad it might be. For taxes, at least some of them are used for public services.

The less local the government, the less likely I am to see any material benifit from the taxes I pay. Local and state taxes fund roads and other infrastructure, public schools, social programs, etc. Federal taxes fund military adventurism, pure corrupt waste like SLS and worst of all ""aid"" for shitty foreign countries like Saudi Arabia and Israel so they can wage wars on their neighbors, for which America's international reputation suffers greatly.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by binary132 »

freehorse wrote: post #93
hypeatei wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I've made it a practice to switch of the router while installing or updating macOS or ios. Why are you still using those OSes? That seems like a lot of work for something you paid for.

For me, because of the hardware.

it’s just not that much better or worth it

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by thisislife2 »

Foivos wrote: post #92
thisislife2 wrote: post #70

> In this scenario the macOS firewall does not seem to function correctly and is disregarding firewall rules ... Some examples of apps that do this are Apple’s own apps and services since macOS 14.6, up until a recent 15.1 beta. This is not new - every time I update macOS, some of the system settings are changed to default including some in the firewall. And I have to painstakingly go through all of it and change it.…

How can you even install the update without access to the Internet? For years, I can not do the automatic updates, because it always fails with an error message along the lines of "Failed to personalise software, check your internet!", even though I have a perfectly working Internet connection. The only way to update is with a live USB and an ethernet connection. Everything else fails.

You can manually download the updates from here - https://support.apple.com/en-us/docs for the older versions of mac (or check and download it manually through Software Update). Once the installation starts, the installer does some verification and / or data collection for which it requires the internet, and then starts the installation - at this point, just switch off the router.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by userbinator »

thisislife2 wrote: post #70

> In this scenario the macOS firewall does not seem to function correctly and is disregarding firewall rules ... Some examples of apps that do this are Apple’s own apps and services since macOS 14.6, up until a recent 15.1 beta. This is not new - every time I update macOS, some of the system settings are changed to default including some in the firewall. And I have to painstakingly go through all of it and change it.…

every time I update macOS, some of the system settings are changed to default including some in the firewall

Windows has also been doing that for some time now. Only Linux is relatively "clean" from that perspective, but even now some distros are beginning to sneak in spyware. The enshittification of OSes continues...

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by vundercind »

hypeatei wrote: post #82
thisislife2 wrote: post #70

> In this scenario the macOS firewall does not seem to function correctly and is disregarding firewall rules ... Some examples of apps that do this are Apple’s own apps and services since macOS 14.6, up until a recent 15.1 beta. This is not new - every time I update macOS, some of the system settings are changed to default including some in the firewall. And I have to painstakingly go through all of it and change it.…

> I've made it a practice to switch of the router while installing or updating macOS or ios. Why are you still using those OSes? That seems like a lot of work for something you paid for.

Because all operating systems are terrible but the rest are so incredibly bad that Apple’s are still by far the best, once you add up time saved by features and capabilities and subtract time lost to pain-in-the-ass brokenness.

(Two decades on DOS/Windows home series and NT, at least for gaming and sometimes work, twelve years with Linux as my main desktop OS, started on Android for smartphones, before finally giving Apple a fair chance around 2011 or 2012… because I was issued a MacBook at work and was doing dual-platform mobile dev—FWIW I was rooting for BeOS back when it was still a thing, it was great)

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by bqmjjx0kac »

throw73484858 wrote: post #94
hypeatei wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I've made it a practice to switch of the router while installing or updating macOS or ios. Why are you still using those OSes? That seems like a lot of work for something you paid for.

Because Linux is soo hard to use. You have to use supported hardware (like with any other OS), and once a year paste a few commands into terminal.

I love Linux. I've just been burned too many times to trust it on my primary laptop. This is a machine with a high availability requirement -- if I have a job interview, the camera had better work right now.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by pram »

radicality wrote: post #42
mgoetzke wrote: post #2

it also leaks the audio of tabs before logging in. Even though I had disabled all 'restore' applications features, macos sometimes decides to 'start' browsers BEFORE logging in after a restart AND those start auto-playing audio from whatever was paused before the reboot (or many days before). Since then I went rather deep disabling that feature, but I never trusted it.

Damn, how is that possible? I imagine you have FileVault enabled, and if so this sounds like some security bypass? I was under the impression that until you provide the password after a reboot, the system should know nothing about you as all user data should be encrypted, so it should not know what apps you had open before reboot let alone start playing sound.

After you type your FileVault password you are 'logged in'

This is really about the checkbox on the reboot modal that says "reopen windows when logging back in." An OS update defaults to yes, for whatever reason.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by kbolino »

binary132 wrote: post #102
freehorse wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me, because of the hardware.

it’s just not that much better or worth it

It may not be worth it: the ridiculous upfront prices to get enough RAM and SSD space, and the lack of upgradeability of those two components, significantly undermine the value proposition of the Mac platform.

But the laptops at least are definitely better quality. The touchpad, charger, screen, keyboard, case, speakers, etc. are all well above the Windows competition in terms of both build quality and durability. The commoditization of every component in a PC laptop has really sapped the life of that platform. No, actually, I don't want another shitty Synaptics touchpad with ancient features and buggy drivers. I really would like every key on my keyboard to still work consistently 2 years after I bought the computer. And no 1080p is not good enough (but hey at least we finally got away from 1366x768!).

Some of the PC makers do seem to have caught on and you can get something comparably specced and competitively priced if you look hard and carefully. But it will still have some deficiencies compared to the MacBook that you can't shop your way around.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by mgoetzke »

jwells89 wrote: post #53
threeseed wrote: post #9

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I have never heard of anyone with this issue. The only explanation is that you restarted whilst having the "Open All Previous Application" checkbox enabled. And yes it will launch processes after you have logged in but before the Desktop is shown. Either that you or you have some launch daemon that is opening a browser.

I’m very confident that it’s either this or the restore-after-crash feature that OP is seeing. I don’t think it’s anything specific to Safari, because I have never seen Safari opened before login when it’s not my default browser. That said, there should probably be a checkbox in system settings to disable login “prewarming”.

I actually used Chrome and Edge. Both show that problem. But the main issue is not those browser autoplaying audio and video on "restore", even though it is an issue, its the OS thinking its OK to load apps before a user authenticated itself after boot

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by MichaelZuo »

vundercind wrote: post #105
hypeatei wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I've made it a practice to switch of the router while installing or updating macOS or ios. Why are you still using those OSes? That seems like a lot of work for something you paid for.

Because all operating systems are terrible but the rest are so incredibly bad that Apple’s are still by far the best, once you add up time saved by features and capabilities and subtract time lost to pain-in-the-ass brokenness. (Two decades on DOS/Windows home series and NT, at least for gaming and sometimes work, twelve years with Linux as my main desktop OS, started on Android for smartphones, before finally giving…

The real question is why is every other company with a consumer OS even more incompetent and/or malicious?
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