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Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by peoplefromibiza »

bayindirh wrote: post #88
peoplefromibiza wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Mhmm... A POSIX compliant OS which is bundled with a calibrated high gamut screen, low latency audio stack, and relatively high speed networking with good thread scheduling, great memory management and tremendous uptime numbers for a personal computer. so basically a Linux less free and less customizable that only runs on a single platform and architecture (ok, let's make it 2!) and still as it seems has some serio…

> so basically a Linux less free and less customizable... Yes, fine as a secondary OS (to Linux, for me) though. > serious bad security bug that no other OS has Can I have the CVEs, since citation needed. If we're talking about Mullvad's findings, it's a race condition, which can happen anywhere since VPN is always a secondary process which needs to run and login after network wakes up, and use the existing network c…

> Can I have the CVEs, since citation needed.

the burden of proof works in the opposite way

> which can happen anywhere

and yet it's still a bad security bug that does not happen anywhere else (AFAWK)

if your target is people who can be tricked into thinking that your OS is faster because it's artificially snappier, maybe your priorities are misplaced IMO

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by Foivos »

thisislife2 wrote: post #70

> In this scenario the macOS firewall does not seem to function correctly and is disregarding firewall rules ... Some examples of apps that do this are Apple’s own apps and services since macOS 14.6, up until a recent 15.1 beta. This is not new - every time I update macOS, some of the system settings are changed to default including some in the firewall. And I have to painstakingly go through all of it and change it.…

How can you even install the update without access to the Internet?

For years, I can not do the automatic updates, because it always fails with an error message along the lines of "Failed to personalise software, check your internet!", even though I have a perfectly working Internet connection. The only way to update is with a live USB and an ethernet connection. Everything else fails.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by freehorse »

hypeatei wrote: post #82
thisislife2 wrote: post #70

> In this scenario the macOS firewall does not seem to function correctly and is disregarding firewall rules ... Some examples of apps that do this are Apple’s own apps and services since macOS 14.6, up until a recent 15.1 beta. This is not new - every time I update macOS, some of the system settings are changed to default including some in the firewall. And I have to painstakingly go through all of it and change it.…

> I've made it a practice to switch of the router while installing or updating macOS or ios. Why are you still using those OSes? That seems like a lot of work for something you paid for.

For me, because of the hardware.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by throw73484858 »

hypeatei wrote: post #82
thisislife2 wrote: post #70

> In this scenario the macOS firewall does not seem to function correctly and is disregarding firewall rules ... Some examples of apps that do this are Apple’s own apps and services since macOS 14.6, up until a recent 15.1 beta. This is not new - every time I update macOS, some of the system settings are changed to default including some in the firewall. And I have to painstakingly go through all of it and change it.…

> I've made it a practice to switch of the router while installing or updating macOS or ios. Why are you still using those OSes? That seems like a lot of work for something you paid for.

Because Linux is soo hard to use. You have to use supported hardware (like with any other OS), and once a year paste a few commands into terminal.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by trissylegs »

handsclean wrote: post #55

The first boot after a macOS system update has long been bugged out. It launches a bunch of apps you didn’t even have open before updating, seems to be the 5-10 most recent apps you quit. Yes they were fully quit, yes I have the “resume” setting off. It also doesn’t do a resume, it launches them, i.e. tells them to create new windows, and it launches them before it finishes mounting disks, resulting in every update b…

> yes I have the “resume” setting off

I'm not sure what this setting does. The amount of times mac will jsut reopen everything anyway is frustration. I go look up how to stop it and the answer is always "Turn off this setting you already have off".

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by bayindirh »

peoplefromibiza wrote: post #91
bayindirh wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> so basically a Linux less free and less customizable... Yes, fine as a secondary OS (to Linux, for me) though. > serious bad security bug that no other OS has Can I have the CVEs, since citation needed. If we're talking about Mullvad's findings, it's a race condition, which can happen anywhere since VPN is always a secondary process which needs to run and login after network wakes up, and use the existing network c…

> Can I have the CVEs, since citation needed. the burden of proof works in the opposite way > which can happen anywhere and yet it's still a bad security bug that does not happen anywhere else (AFAWK) if your target is people who can be tricked into thinking that your OS is faster because it's artificially snappier, maybe your priorities are misplaced IMO

> the burden of proof works in the opposite way

How can I prove or disprove something if you don't give me a starting point? An interesting perspective.

> if your target is people who can be tricked into thinking that your OS is faster because it's artificially snappier, maybe your priorities are misplaced IMO

I mean, if an OS can wake faster than the competition because it uses high-end semi independent radios, a custom processor and power manager, and can run their own custom firmware on these devices just because they can, that OS is actually snappier when it comes to that feature, innit?

Again, to reiterate, macOS my secondary OS of choice, but we should be fair when discussing things and our judgements shouldn't be colored by our emotions towards anything.

If a Linux + ThinkPad would have provided the same experience as a MacBook pro, I'd be running a top end ThinkPad instead of MacBooks for my portable computer needs, but alas, for me the best choice is Linux Desktops and macOS laptops.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by kibwen »

eru wrote: post #31
phoe-krk wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The differences between governments and megacorps are dwindling and the two are becoming much more alike one another. We already live in global technofeudalism.

Alas, no. By and large, governments are still vastly less competent than multinational corporations. MNCs also don't force you to pay taxes or buy their products.

> MNCs also don't force you to pay taxes

So wrong. Every dollar that $FOO_COMPANY shovels to Google and Apple to spend on advertising is a dollar that you, the consumer, end up footing the bill for; a dollar that does not go towards improving the product you receive in any way whatsoever.

The advertising industry itself is a tax on the price of everything.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by isodev »

thisislife2 wrote: post #70

> In this scenario the macOS firewall does not seem to function correctly and is disregarding firewall rules ... Some examples of apps that do this are Apple’s own apps and services since macOS 14.6, up until a recent 15.1 beta. This is not new - every time I update macOS, some of the system settings are changed to default including some in the firewall. And I have to painstakingly go through all of it and change it.…

The beautiful hardware of the Mac is so wasted with recent versions of macOS.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by thisislife2 »

hypeatei wrote: post #82
thisislife2 wrote: post #70

> In this scenario the macOS firewall does not seem to function correctly and is disregarding firewall rules ... Some examples of apps that do this are Apple’s own apps and services since macOS 14.6, up until a recent 15.1 beta. This is not new - every time I update macOS, some of the system settings are changed to default including some in the firewall. And I have to painstakingly go through all of it and change it.…

> I've made it a practice to switch of the router while installing or updating macOS or ios. Why are you still using those OSes? That seems like a lot of work for something you paid for.

Others in the family still use iDevices. Can't avoid Windows or macOS due to work. Prefer FreeBSD and use that mostly. It's an old mac and will be dumping it after another year or two. Do not plan to buy an Apple computer ever again as soldered RAM / HDD and iShittification of macOS is the future.
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