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Data sleuths who spotted research misconduct cleared of defamation

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Re: Data sleuths who spotted research misconduct cleared of defamation

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Post by pclmulqdq »

Hamuko wrote: post #82
yard2010 wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's scary, really. Having no money for this means you can't afford to fight these criminal crooks. Is this how this works in europe too?

In Europe, the losing party of a lawsuit generally has to pay for the winner's legal expenses ("English rule"). Never had to go to court so I don't know what you do about the expenses in the meanwhile, but at least there's light at the end of the tunnel when someone sues you just for the heck of it.

In the US, you can ask for fee-shifting if you have been sued frivolously or there has otherwise been some wrongdoing on the part of the other side. These guys may be able to motion for fee-shifting given that the case was dismissed at this early stage.

State defamation cases usually apply anti-SLAPP laws that automatically create fee-shifting in this exact circumstance, but this seems to be a federal case.

Re: Data sleuths who spotted research misconduct cleared of defamation

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Post by kernal »

How ironic that the people exposing a fraudster must defend themselves from the false allegations of a fraudster. The sad and pathetic part is that Francesca Gino even tried to blame her colleagues for the fake data. These videos are a good primer on the dishonesty of Francesca Gino.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNK4nXWA_s8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QE5V_nW7pPo

Re: Data sleuths who spotted research misconduct cleared of defamation

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Post by red_admiral »

In theory, if the other side can't outpay you on lawyers, truth should be an absolute defense to allegations of defamation. If you're careful enough not to just write "she faked the data" but "based on this evidence ... we believe the data is fake", that should be watertight.

Re: Data sleuths who spotted research misconduct cleared of defamation

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Post by baobabKoodaa »

Validark wrote: post #29

“[s]cientific controversies must be settled by the methods of science rather than by the methods of litigation” Boom. And the researchers didn't accuse a person of fabrication, they accused the data of being fabricated.

I don't see any distinction there.

Re: Data sleuths who spotted research misconduct cleared of defamation

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Post by jujube3 »

PaulKeeble wrote: post #7

There is no limits a grifter wont go to in order to continue their grift. Those with the funds regularly get away with it purely because they have the funds to sue their opponents into bankruptcy. The system worked in this case but it so rarely does and we see so often people having to back down due to legal threats.

Time flies when you're having funds.

Re: Data sleuths who spotted research misconduct cleared of defamation

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Post by pclmulqdq »

yial wrote: post #52
pclmulqdq wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thankfully, a lot of the filings appear short enough that I doubt he's going to charge very much. I assume the retainer was still $20-30k, but they may get some of it back. I was hoping that there would be some fee-shifting here, but it's federal court.

I would guess a 20-30k retainer in this occurrence would be a discounted retainer as well. I say this just based upon my personal experience with a few smaller firms.

If you're known to be good for the money, you can often get lower retainer bills from lawyers. That's why Donald Trump has to put up tens of millions for any legal project. Many of my lawyers do not ask for retainers for work at all, even for bigger things.

Re: Data sleuths who spotted research misconduct cleared of defamation

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Post by Suppafly »

zo1 wrote: post #55
hughesjj wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm at the point where if I see it in a TED talk I'm assuming it's a bullshit grifter

I blocked the TED channel on YouTube a few years back as it was getting bad. They first diluted their "brand" or quality with TEDx, and it's been downhill since as they've been scraping the bottom of the barrel and tried to "scale" or "franchise". Happens everytime, growth at all costs. The only way to stop it is to have passionate leaders who care more about the goal than the money. Unfortunately, usually by the tim…

I don't have a problem with the concept of locally branded TED talks under the TEDx umbrella, but I do have a problem of TEDx talks pretending that they are genuine TED talks. Generally actual TED talks have some quality checks built in, they sometimes allow garbage through, but it's far more rigid than the stuff you see at the TEDx talks.

Re: Data sleuths who spotted research misconduct cleared of defamation

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Post by dylanmarshall »

RachelF wrote: post #31

The irony is that Francesca Gino and Dan Ariely are famous for their pop-sci/TED talks studying dishonesty. Turns out they were dishonest themselves. https://www.npr.org/2023/07/27/1190568472/dan-ariely-frances...

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