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If Durov is liable for crimes committed on his platform how far away are we from making phone companies and ISPs liable for crimes committed using their services? This is a very slippery slope. I don't see a problem with requiring a company to cooperate with a court order to release data. However if a company does not have this data (because it's encrypted) it should not be liable or be required to collect such data.
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To make things even stranger, Durov was apparently invited to lunch by Macron. Instead of a presidential welcome, he was arrested on arrival. Source: https://x.com/Zlatti_71/status/1828529272539304278
I find it deeply uncomfortable that the HN contingent is rushing to defend the French government on this matter. The European Union has been angling for more comprehensive access to messaging platforms with proposal after proposal. Everyone here loves to sing the praises of the EU but broad regulatory powers is not a clear cut value proposition: European governments and those governed have a long history of oppressio…
There seems to be a lot of arguments citing that "$otherPlatform should be held liable for the same things!" The main takeaway here is that Durov is not being arrested strictly because his platform contains illegal material. He is being arrested because (allegedly) - he is aware of the illegal material, and - he refuses to cooperate with law enforcement to remove that material. So the French authorities are charging…
> Platforms like Signal can get away with this because they are properly E2E encrypted, and cannot identify illegal content. Signal isn't magically protected by proper E2E encryption. When the time comes to take them down legally, all that's needed is evidence from end users phones demonstrating illegal activities occurring over Signal. But - for now - Signal seems to have better friends and or be upsetting less auth…
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To make things even stranger, Durov was apparently invited to lunch by Macron. Instead of a presidential welcome, he was arrested on arrival. Source: https://x.com/Zlatti_71/status/1828529272539304278
I find it deeply uncomfortable that the HN contingent is rushing to defend the French government on this matter. The European Union has been angling for more comprehensive access to messaging platforms with proposal after proposal. Everyone here loves to sing the praises of the EU but broad regulatory powers is not a clear cut value proposition: European governments and those governed have a long history of oppressio…
In the end, if that annoys Russia, that's a good thing. Telegram is used by Russia, terror groups, and so on. It's always funny to hear people talk about free speech in that situation.
>Telegram is used by Russia, terror groups, and so on. As well as a lot of people in CIS countries (including Ukraine), people fed up with Meta and probably 95% of Android custom ROM communities (wild guess, do not quote me on that). Not to mention platforms like, for example, Discord. Also used in Russia. Also probably used by terror groups. But it's okay because we are supposed to like "our" platform. >It's always…
Also one big difference might be that Discord is part of the Deep Web (requiring an account and an invitation to its chatrooms to even see what is going on there), while Telegram seems to be mostly on the Open Web, even providing an interface to be crawled ?
Some interesting facts: - Durov is, according to him, living in exile outside of Russia since 2014 - due to Russian gov persecution. - Since his "exile" - he has travelled 50-60 times to Russia https://www.reddit.com/r/Telegram/comments/1f2pgg3/pavel_dur... - Most Russian billionaires that live in exile and are persecuted by the RU gov fall from windows (or something tall) quite often. Durov has been living lavishly…
> Since his "exile" - he has travelled 50-60 times to Russia That "fact" is disputed. The source of that information appears to have relied on unverified information, among other issues. I do find it odd that Russia is working so hard to get him out of France, though.
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>To me it's pretty clear reason why they've gone after Telegram is the Channels and Groups. Seen from a certain perspective Telegram channels are an alternative to Reddit, and have been popular medium during COVID and the Ukraine war for "alternative news". By now Reddit is properly controlled and subdued but Telegram isn't. This is full on speculation. Right now the reality is you can buy underage people, drugs and…
Telegram regularly bans channels that promote hate-speech or do illegal activities. The only issue is, their team is way too small for moderation, which is why so many weird communities keep popping up. I’ve been on Telegram for 5 years and I’ve yet to see anything of what you mentioned in your comment. It’s a fear mongering tactic against a perfectly good and arguably the best messenger application in existence righ…
When I activated the function to find people around me, most of the time I was spending in Telegram was leaving and reporting such groups.
Some of the channels, even discoverable by simple search, were years old.
"Arguably" Element is way better than Telegram, it actually properly encrypts private chats AND allows sync between devices
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>To me it's pretty clear reason why they've gone after Telegram is the Channels and Groups. Seen from a certain perspective Telegram channels are an alternative to Reddit, and have been popular medium during COVID and the Ukraine war for "alternative news". By now Reddit is properly controlled and subdued but Telegram isn't. This is full on speculation. Right now the reality is you can buy underage people, drugs and…
Telegram regularly bans channels that promote hate-speech or do illegal activities. The only issue is, their team is way too small for moderation, which is why so many weird communities keep popping up. I’ve been on Telegram for 5 years and I’ve yet to see anything of what you mentioned in your comment. It’s a fear mongering tactic against a perfectly good and arguably the best messenger application in existence righ…