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Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by doublepg23 »

qzx_pierri wrote: post #22

Spotify has financial incentive to obfuscate their UI to tilt people toward mindlessly consuming playlists. This is because labels pay Spotify to put certain songs on large playlists, and Spotify knows playlists are a good habit to push onto their users. Radio was used to discover new music decades ago, but paying a radio station (directly) to play a song is illegal (payola), so DJs had to break new songs, styles, an…

> so DJs had to break new songs, styles, and have a wide array of music offered (within the theme of the station).

I'm an older Zoomer and this was never the case for radio in my lifetime [1]. I heard "college radio stations" being a bastion of this but I've never listened to one myself.

One of the earliest internet services I remember loving was Pandora because it recommended me artists I never heard on the radio and was the start of my love of music.

[1] I'm guessing it was related to all radio stations being owned by the same companies.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by 082349872349872 »

reducesuffering wrote: post #100
082349872349872 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Old foreign language books had translations for phrases along the lines of "the lobster makes a good salad" and "my husband is unwell, can you call a doctor?" If I were to use YouTube for a corpus, I could probably write contemporary translation books for many languages, as long as the phrases were along the lines of "still listening in ${YEAR}" and "new ${GENRE} isn't this good"

I don't even blame them, clearly the article shows there's a biological or cultural phenomenon to it. It's just unfortunate when you're the 2% outlier that thinks music is progressing, as you can't share with others the appreciation that sounds are actually getting better.

> a biological or cultural phenomenom to it

Puberty?

(much folk music has ambiguous lyrics; I wonder if starting to blush at all the traditional village songs used to be a social milestone?)

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by dmd »

doublepg23 wrote: post #101
qzx_pierri wrote: post #22

Spotify has financial incentive to obfuscate their UI to tilt people toward mindlessly consuming playlists. This is because labels pay Spotify to put certain songs on large playlists, and Spotify knows playlists are a good habit to push onto their users. Radio was used to discover new music decades ago, but paying a radio station (directly) to play a song is illegal (payola), so DJs had to break new songs, styles, an…

> so DJs had to break new songs, styles, and have a wide array of music offered (within the theme of the station). I'm an older Zoomer and this was never the case for radio in my lifetime [1]. I heard "college radio stations" being a bastion of this but I've never listened to one myself. One of the earliest internet services I remember loving was Pandora because it recommended me artists I never heard on the radio an…

Correct - this sort of thing was basically over-and-done by the mid 90s.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

I must be some sort of freak.

I grew up in the 60’s and 70’s listening to classic rock, and a lot of it I can’t even stand any more due to the incredibly small playlists that most classic rock stations use.

In my 20’s I started listening to a lot of classical and then jazz. In the 90’s a lot of grunge which’s I still love. After that was trance in the 2000’s, then ambient, techno and IDM after that. I still listen to all of these genres today depending on my mood.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by re »

harles wrote: post #85
qzx_pierri wrote: post #22

Spotify has financial incentive to obfuscate their UI to tilt people toward mindlessly consuming playlists. This is because labels pay Spotify to put certain songs on large playlists, and Spotify knows playlists are a good habit to push onto their users. Radio was used to discover new music decades ago, but paying a radio station (directly) to play a song is illegal (payola), so DJs had to break new songs, styles, an…

I’ve wondered for a while if Spotify skews playlists in favor of cheaper songs. I have no evidence of this, but it’d make business sense to use the equivalent of store brand music (even if that just means outsourced to a cheap agency) for generic study music playlists and such.

> it’d make business sense to use the equivalent of store brand music

They've been accused of almost exactly this: https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/spotify-is-creating-i...

Spotify denies doing this but you can google to find a lot of controversy over fake artists on Spotify.

A more recent variation on the theme: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/mar/19/swedish-comp...

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by doublepg23 »

floxy wrote: post #80
treflop wrote: post #59

my thought is that music is a hobby and people mislead themselves into themselves into thinking that it’s their hobby or that everyone has music has a hobby. I think music is just a phase for most people, as have been most things I’ve personally tried but wasn’t really into but I’m in my 30s, am still into finding my music, and I can’t see that ever going away. and I know people love listening to music from their for…

>it was good then. now it’s tired and boring. It might be worth revisiting that music in a decade or two. My wife recently found an old Michael Jackson CD cleaning out an box of something in the garage. That sparked a let-me-listen to some more 70's and 80's music. Lot's of great "timeless" Michael Jackson songs. Not so much for Madonna for some reason. The Carpenter's and select ABBA gets a thumb's up from me as wel…

I love listening to pop-ier 80s acts that were sampled by vaporwave artists and my GenX dad (huge grunge guy) is puzzled why I like the dreck.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by nocman »

havblue wrote: post #32

It doesn't seem like the article makes much of a distinction between newly released music and music that you haven't listened to yet. Personally, as I get older I've lost the ability to listen to the same Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd etc albums for the 100th time. I cringe every time I hear the opening of Don't Stop Believing. So I've kept trying to get deeper into prog and other genres lately as I'm just burnt out on th…

Just pulled up "Don't Stop Believing" as a test.

Even on crappy old junk headphones, still an awesome song that I don't think I'll ever get tired of.

Granted, I don't generally let services make a playlist for me, and I don't beat the old songs to death. I like more variety than that.

I have however, rolled my eyes when listening to services that have an "80's rock" or "top 90's songs" only to have them play the exact same dozen-or-so songs that they did the last time I visited that channel. No thanks!

That's also probably one of the reasons I rarely listen using a service-generated playlist/channel. I think they are maximized for the service's profit, not for the listener's enjoyment.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by harles »

Euphorbium wrote: post #93
harles wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve wondered for a while if Spotify skews playlists in favor of cheaper songs. I have no evidence of this, but it’d make business sense to use the equivalent of store brand music (even if that just means outsourced to a cheap agency) for generic study music playlists and such.

I think they tend to play what is cached locally, to save on streaming costs.

That’s certainly possible, but I’d expect licensing costs to dwarf bandwidth costs.
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