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Redis is forked

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Re: Redis is forked

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Post by nurple »

bevekspldnw wrote: post #14

As somebody who pulled down an open source project I find this trope of FOSS losing its way for greed utterly disingenuous. People need to put food on the table, period. I’ve had people take my work and make more money from it than I have, with no attribution or credit. Then I pulled it down and got a lot of people asking why it’s no longer free, when I tell them I can sell them a license they don’t even reply. I car…

The point is to benefit humanity, not make money. With that said, sure this ideology seems impossible to realize change in the current money-obsessed world, but the thing is that these ideologies are simply incompatible. Yes, I'd say that you are also unfortunately money-obsessed, your whole post is centered on it; I don't blame you though, I also have to focus a majority of my life on money to raise my children, but it doesn't have to be like that.

We won't make change until enough people are willing to sacrifice to make it, and most people just aren't willing to bear that load when going with the existing system, while broken, alleviates that pain while unfortunately also acting as a network multiplier to not just perpetuate, but also strengthen, the status quo.

Make no mistake, the existing system is built with features made explicitly to limit your freedom. You simply can't live without selling your labor. If you look at a lot of people trying to start their own businesses (FLOSS or not), they're trying to use the system to earn their freedom in a system where true self-determination and financial independence are synonymous.

That's all the FLOSS ideology is, buying our common self determination through leveraging the power of computing. And looking at how much money it's generated, you can't say that was an impossible dream, but we're losing the war.

Re: Redis is forked

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Post by NewJazz »

moufestaphio wrote: post #68
Diederich wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you expand on the high points from your perspective? Thanks.

As I understand it, linux has dependencies on Redis. Since redis licence change, that can't work so linux needs an alternative. Linux foundation made a fork of redis named valkey, which was instantly backed by most of the Core maintainers, and many large companies (AWS, GCP, Oracle, Snap). So it seems obvious that this fork which will be part of linux dependencies, has backing of big corps and core maintainers isn't…

Are you saying Linux, the kernel, has a dependency on Redis? That is not true.

Re: Redis is forked

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Post by NewJazz »

MrOxiMoron wrote: post #39

at work we're still at the pre-fork drama version of elasticsearch, it works and leaves us open to pick whichever direction we want to go at a later date when we need it. The same will be for redis, it works, no need to stay up to date.

Do you still get support from Elastic with that version? Why not just move to OpenSearch?

Re: Redis is forked

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Post by [deleted] »

refulgentis wrote: post #88
esafak wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vector databases aren't for key value retrieval, they're for similarity search. What's that got to do with onnx?

ONNX runs the ML model that is f(string) -> vector. The similarity search is done using those vectors, and needs to return the original strings.

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Re: Redis is forked

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Post by snotrockets »

sanderjd wrote: post #98
snotrockets wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're living in a society, with certain systems baked into it. Fighting to change those systems and norms is a Good Thing™, but I'm too pessimistic to act today as if the change is coming tomorrow. I'll both work to change those systems, AND act as if they're here to stay.

I'm not sure if this was a purposeful allusion or not, but I entirely agree that you "can't recall a gift" in exactly the same sense that you can't keep talking on a payphone for a long time when someone is clearly waiting; because, you know, we're living in a society!!

Unlike the payphone analogy, where there is metering rules, and as long as you abide by them, you can keep talking, even if it's impolite, there is a legal definition for gifts (it is, after all, a transfer of ownership, and such things are regulated), which, as far as I know, matches the social norm of not being able to claw those back.

Re: Redis is forked

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Post by darby_eight »

Thev00d00 wrote: post #21
dainiusse wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it is too early to evaluate Terraform/OpenToFu. They're diverging now and it looks like OpenToFu are bringing on some wanted features.

There is no incentive for users of tf to move, consumers are not impacted by the licensing changes. Opentofu hasn't shipped a 1.7 stable with removed blocks yet, whilst terraform is already on 1.8 with provider functions

There's also not any incentive to use the original terraform.

Re: Redis is forked

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Post by sjm »

Can someone ELI5 why I should feel bad about Redis charging massive companies like AWS and Google to use/sell/profit from their software? Am I really supposed to feel like Amazon is the good guy in this situation? As far as I can tell this change doesn't affect 99.999% of Redis users, but I understand I could be missing something?

Re: Redis is forked

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Post by NegativeLatency »

xmprt wrote: post #70
waiwai933 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That works while OpenTofu and Terraform files are compatible - but once they no longer are, presumably you'd have to standardise on one or the other.

The point is that once they are no longer compatible, people would standardize on the one that they're familiar with which is most likely the one that's running on their machine.

There are enough pretty annoying and long standing terraform issues that if opentofu started picking them off I'd consider switching.

You can kinda see this with vim and neovim where both are continuing to exist and benefit each other.

Re: Redis is forked

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Post by cyberpunk »

moufestaphio wrote: post #68
Diederich wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you expand on the high points from your perspective? Thanks.

As I understand it, linux has dependencies on Redis. Since redis licence change, that can't work so linux needs an alternative. Linux foundation made a fork of redis named valkey, which was instantly backed by most of the Core maintainers, and many large companies (AWS, GCP, Oracle, Snap). So it seems obvious that this fork which will be part of linux dependencies, has backing of big corps and core maintainers isn't…

Linux depends on Redis?

Do you mean the foundation uses it to serve some marketing sites or it's part of some build farm/infra or something?

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