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Apple Is in Talks to Let Google's Gemini Power iPhone Generative AI Features

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Re: Apple Is in Talks to Let Google's Gemini Power iPhone Generative AI Features

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Post by wklauss »

seydor wrote: post #30
gman83 wrote: post #28

I don't see why everyone is so surprised by this. Google already provides the default search engine for iOS, and it's clear that Apple's on-device stuff is going to be years away. They don't have the infrastructure to do this themselves either, so they're going to need a partner. Steve Jobs always saw Apple and Google as natural partners, he just couldn't get over that Google launched Android. I think Apple by now re…

This is very surprising. Stability AI can do this with 100M total funding. Apple is a 3 trillion dollar company. Sounds incompetent

Apple is doing it, but doubt they'll use something in-house that's still very much a work in progress when they can actually get paid by Google to use Gemini this year.

Re: Apple Is in Talks to Let Google's Gemini Power iPhone Generative AI Features

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Post by wklauss »

rallyforthesun wrote: post #81

If AI features on mobiles get that important, like websearch was for the internet. Why should i buy an apple product if it uses the same assistant (or worse, as it runs native in the android world?) edit typo

Better integration? nicer or more powerful device? som exclusive apps or servcies? Same as today... Android phones do most of the same things an iPhone does but people who choose iPhone have their reasons to do so.

Re: Apple Is in Talks to Let Google's Gemini Power iPhone Generative AI Features

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Post by taylodl »

ribosometronome wrote: post #95
taylodl wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess I'm no user! Gemini is the best all-around AI tool I've used. It falls a bit on programming tasks, but I don't use it for that.

>It falls a bit on programming tasks, but I don't use it for that. I suspect a lot of us mediocre coders probably are using these chat AIs primarily for this. ChatGPT's been a pretty solid replacement for what used to be Googling for "How do I do X in Y?" kind of queries. Obviously, that's not really what Siri needs to be.

I've been using Gemini in lieu of Google search where I'm asking a question I want an answer to rather than searching for a website. Microsoft is doing this with Bing, it tries to understand when you're searching for web sites and when you're searching for answers. I imagine Google will eventually integrate these offerings.

Where Microsoft's integrated approach presents challenges is Gemini provides for a conversational approach (context). If I ask a question and subsequently need to provide further clarification, I can just provide the clarification. I don't need to re-ask the entire edited question. It's amazing how fast I've become accustomed to this conversational approach.

WRT Apple, Siri has become irksome. She can't reliably handle basic tasks on your phone, much less general-purpose questions. At this point I think it's going to become the case that AI is a commodity, and I don't see what Apple gains by building their own commodity service.

Re: Apple Is in Talks to Let Google's Gemini Power iPhone Generative AI Features

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Post by freedomben »

microtonal wrote: post #61
asplake wrote: post #46

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Windows Phone is dead. If that was Google’s play, it was very successful.

They did not have to do much though, Microsoft killed Windows Phone all on their own. Windows Phone 7 was pretty great, but Microsoft threw all early-adopters under the bus by then releasing Windows Phone 8. None of the Windows Phone 7 devices got an upgrade to WP8 and WP8 apps would not run on WP7. I knew a bunch of folks who were very sour after how Microsoft handled WP7 -> WP8 and moved to other platforms. And the…

That was actually the second time they through earlier users under the bus. I had a WP6 and was promised (at the time I bought it) that it would be upgraded to WP7 when that came out. Then Microsoft decided not to. Then they shit all over us by decided to shut down the app market. So my not even year-old phone became essentially worthless very quickly. I switched to Android and that was the last time I ever paid for a Microsoft product. It also turned me into an anti-advocate for Windows phones. I still cringe when I think of that perfectly good flagship (at the time) level hardware sitting worthless in a drawer

Re: Apple Is in Talks to Let Google's Gemini Power iPhone Generative AI Features

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Post by freedomben »

prossercj wrote: post #94

No one seems to have mentioned what is most obvious to me about this: if this goes through, Google will corner the market on mobile (on-device) AI. They already have Android users, this would give them iOS users too. Not a large market right now, but the way things are heading it could prove significant in the future.

Do you think regulators will allow this? I tend to think not. Especially with the mega-attention in place now.

But that said, Google has played Gemini politically very well. "The other AI options aren't safe" is a message that regulators love to hear.

Re: Apple Is in Talks to Let Google's Gemini Power iPhone Generative AI Features

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Post by freedomben »

panarky wrote: post #14

Google's strengths fit well with Apple's weaknesses and vice versa. Seems like a recipe for a strong partnership. It will make both companies better.

do you think this is really an Apple weakness? Or do you think this is just a stopgap measure while they polish their homegrown stuff?

I can't imagine Apple doesn't release an iphone with special hardware running AI locally in the medium or long-term.

Re: Apple Is in Talks to Let Google's Gemini Power iPhone Generative AI Features

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Post by freedomben »

fragmede wrote: post #67
ezst wrote: post #66

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It shows encrypted streams that neither you or I can decipher. By default, either will spend its day scraping your surroundings (wifi and bluetooth) and report it back home, unless you opt-out (which both allow). Both are equally evil in my book.

Can’t you root both of those to setup a proxy to decrypt and see for yourself? If it’s encrypted, how can you tell that’s what it's doing to say with such certainty there?

On Android the certificate pinning makes it very hard even with root. On iPhone where the owner of the phone (Apple) actively fights against your ability to gain root, I can't imagine it's easier, but if it is I'd appreciate being corrected.

Re: Apple Is in Talks to Let Google's Gemini Power iPhone Generative AI Features

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Post by freedomben »

addandsubtract wrote: post #71
microtonal wrote: post #45

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But currently only a small subset of Android devices come with all of Google’s current phone AI features out of the box, Pixel 8 Pro and the Samsung S24 lineup. You can install the Gemini app on other phones, but last time I checked the install counts, it’s only a small percentage of the Android user base. (I’d also be surprised if a large population would be willing to pay the $20 monthly Google One tier to use Gemi…

I can't even use text summarization on my Pixel 8 Pro.

do you use Chrome browser? It doesn't work for me either but I use firefox mobile, so I suspect that may be why.

Re: Apple Is in Talks to Let Google's Gemini Power iPhone Generative AI Features

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Post by freedomben »

blisterpeanuts wrote: post #92

After Gemini's embarrassing "woke images" debacle last month, probably a lot of people wouldn't want it on their phones, nor on their desktops/laptops. Until Gemini is cleaned up and all the political biases removed, it's a tainted product, at least among a lot of vocal influencers, if not the masses.

I don't know anybody not in the tech world who even knows about that, let alone would care enough to change their platform. My guess is pretty much all average consumers, and 80% of technical consumers, don't care at best and actively applaud Gemini at worst. I doubt this is a problem at all

Re: Apple Is in Talks to Let Google's Gemini Power iPhone Generative AI Features

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Post by xcv123 »

c0wb0yc0d3r wrote: post #82
xcv123 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not the issue. LLMs are not trained on whatever crap you can scrape from users text messages or emails. That is relatively useless for training.

Wouldn't the issue be Gemini would need access to the users personal information in order to act on it? Yes there are applications where this wouldn't be needed, but I can't help but think that the number one application of ai would be adding to the capabilities of the personal assistant. To me a personal assistant that couldn't draw on the context of my location, calendar, or communications wouldn't be much improvem…

> If you believe the memes, Siri is already quite capable of searching Google for you.

How is that a meme? It casually searches Google and summarizes the result when required. Siri runs locally on iOS and needs to use a search engine to lookup information.

https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/7/22522993/apple-siri-on-dev...

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