Indian government moves to ban ProtonMail after bomb threat

Post by heikrana » Thu, Feb 15, 2024, 2:58 PM UTC

shaan7 wrote: post #82

alephnerd wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> blocking one out of many ways that someone could make an anonymous threat, it somehow contributes to the safety of their citizens If you make an anonymous bomb threat using Gmail in India, Google will hand off all information to the Indian government as they have operations in India and will be held liable, just like they would in the US. This is the reason why Proton AG honors American law enforcement requests - t…

Your statements are correct but they aren't relevant to parent's point. Blocking an email provider has absolutely no positive effect on the safety of the citizens. While it has the potential of a lot of negative effects, like the inability of other innocent citizens to use their email account. It is the same thing when the GoI went ahead and blocked pastebin.com because of a bunch of pastes.

Post by heikrana » Thu, Feb 15, 2024, 3:06 PM UTC

oarla wrote: post #67

recroad wrote: post #14

India for all intents and purposes is now an ethno-national state with no press freedom, severe persecution of minorities, and human rights violations aplenty. I grew up in India when it was a relatively secular state. For example, when the Babri Masjid (mosque) was destroyed by Hindus in the early 90s, the national magazine, India Today and major newspapers led with the headline, "India's Shame" and acknowledge how…

Tangential to the article being discussed, as this is not about secularism. Not all the facts provided, just a one sided view that is parroted repeatedly in online forums with the intention of claiming a moral high ground when the facts are far more complex and intricate.

Post by jszymborski » Thu, Feb 15, 2024, 3:10 PM UTC

alephnerd wrote: post #39

rockyj wrote: post #5

Ban everything you cannot control / understand! That is the classic Indian bureaucracy reaction. For example, They also banned tinted windows in cars after an assualt happened in a car. Then, there was a time where they banned something or the other on a daily basis. Even right now there is Section 144 imposed in multiple cities - which means a "ban" on "unlawful assembly" of 5 or more people. 5 or more people in mul…

The issue is India doesn't have a judicial agreement with Switzerland over data sharing (which includes User IP Addresses) for criminal investigations [0] while the US does [1], and Protonmail only honors Swiss litigation [2] This should change with the new India-Switzerland FTA though. [0] - https://carnegieendowment.org/files/ParsheeraJha_DataAccess.... [1] - https://www.dataprivacyframework.gov/framework-article/1…

Post by heikrana » Thu, Feb 15, 2024, 3:13 PM UTC

upofadown wrote: post #47

This all seems a bit confused. This has nothing to do with encryption. ProtonMail cooperates with law enforcement to track down users, but they do need a proper legal process. They won't just release user information on a simple request. They do have the ability to capture IP addresses. ProtonMail is accessible over Tor, but they don't allow registration/verification over Tor.

Post by protonmail » Thu, Feb 15, 2024, 3:15 PM UTC

alephnerd wrote: post #87

shaan7 wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your statements are correct but they aren't relevant to parent's point. Blocking an email provider has absolutely no positive effect on the safety of the citizens. While it has the potential of a lot of negative effects, like the inability of other innocent citizens to use their email account. It is the same thing when the GoI went ahead and blocked pastebin.com because of a bunch of pastes.

> Blocking an email provider has absolutely no positive effect on the safety of the citizens I agree that it's a half assed patched, but if a platform isn't responding to litigation or law enforcement requests, there is always the chance of bad actors weaponizing that loophole. And it's not like Proton AG hasn't been linked to terror attacks. The perpetrator of the Bataclan Massacre used Protonmail to communicate wit…