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Re: Tens of thousands protest in Germany against the rise of the far right

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Post by eclecticfrank »

on_the_train wrote: post #86

Here we are again. If anyone as much as hints at politics from the "other side", their account is immediately nuked. But it's all good when you guys do it. 80 highly political comments, all good. But no, hn is not political. And if it is, it surely is neutral and rational... Sure. And no, this were no protests against the "far right". It was an attempt to get the only opposition party in Germany banned, which is more…

AFD is not the only opposition party in Germany.

The opposition in the German Bundestag is quite large. Of a total 736 seats there are 319 opposition seats. 78 of those are occupied by AFD politicians. The largest oppostion party is in fact the CDU/CSU with 197 members.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundestag

Re: Tens of thousands protest in Germany against the rise of the far right

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Post by patates »

jansan wrote: post #89
patates wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an immigrant here in Germany I wonder if I should perhaps start to think about an exit strategy if this trend continues.

If you are living on social welfare, things might actually get a bit tighter in future.

Far from it, I earn too much to be able to get any support from the government. Including the parental leave pay.

Re: Tens of thousands protest in Germany against the rise of the far right

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Post by hutzlibu »

DeathArrow wrote: post #85
hutzlibu wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"So they will finally give the people what they ask for? " How is that possible, when the people themself are divided? For example with weapon support for Ukraine: "Some 44% believe sending Leopard 2 battle tanks to Kyiv is the wrong decision, according to the results of a survey by pollster YouGov published on Sunday. At least 41% support the German government as it plans to send the first of 18 tanks to Ukraine " h…

>So where is the solution fitting everyone? What can the politicians do, to make everyone happy? Do it the Swiss way and ask people trough a plebiscite?

Oh yes, I am very much a fan of the swiss system (and consider moving there) and direct democracy wherever possible. But my point was, that a plebiscite does not change the fact, that the people are very divided themself. Also not everyone would accept those results, because they would argue, too many non white germans could vote who should not have the right etc. Some worldviews are just not compatible.

My solution? I would not mind if germany breaks up into smaller states. (The Swiss system works, because it is small.) Some white, some diverse, some whatever. If possible, all still members of the EU. But many nationalists would rather have civil war instead.

Re: Tens of thousands protest in Germany against the rise of the far right

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Post by [deleted] »

patates wrote: post #90
DeathArrow wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Woke ideology in general. But yes, immigration is a big part of it.

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke What's wrong with being "woke"? People can't tolerate the fact that some still want social justice as supposedly "less equal" people rush into the country? Yeah? Then they should just say it! I just want people to openly express the racism in their minds without coming up with ridiculous terms like "anti-woke". Truth would be them saying "We don't want equality, we believe we ar…

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Re: Tens of thousands protest in Germany against the rise of the far right

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Post by t0bia_s »

JodieBenitez wrote: post #84

Protests are fun. You can shout in the street, stroll and sing with your friends and feel morally superior. But how about addressing citizens' problems in the first place, so they don't turn to extremes ? Weird idea, I know...

When you still believe that someone above you solve the problems, you rather go out screaming than take responsibility and actually do something usueful.

But that is what education teach us. Listen the authority and let them tell you what to do.

Re: Tens of thousands protest in Germany against the rise of the far right

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Post by knallfrosch »

gambiting wrote: post #23
nicbou wrote: post #12

Speaking only for myself with no sense of authority: there's something in the air that I'm not the only one feeling. Something very subtle seems off. The water is a little hotter, but subtly enough to say "nah it's not like that". The way I see it, tens of thousands took to the streets to make damn sure it won't be like that on their watch. The AfD has gotten louder and stronger last year, and it's reaching further a…

It's everywhere, not just in Germany. Like you said, there's "something in the air". The rise of populism, rebirth of strong nationalism, is everywhere in Europe. I feel like wherever that tide is pushed back, it grows stronger in the background anyway. And the worst thing is, I don't really see how this could get better. Economic problems will continue to grow for at least several years, and one of the most contenio…

I think migration is mostly driven by technological changes. Tens of thousands simply fly to Middle America and trek to the US border. That (tens of thousands affording a plane ticket) wouldn't have been possible in the 90s's. Regardless of whether it's climate change, population growth or growing riches though, it's going to get more intensive in the future.

Re: Tens of thousands protest in Germany against the rise of the far right

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Post by on_the_train »

eclecticfrank wrote: post #101
on_the_train wrote: post #86

Here we are again. If anyone as much as hints at politics from the "other side", their account is immediately nuked. But it's all good when you guys do it. 80 highly political comments, all good. But no, hn is not political. And if it is, it surely is neutral and rational... Sure. And no, this were no protests against the "far right". It was an attempt to get the only opposition party in Germany banned, which is more…

AFD is not the only opposition party in Germany. The opposition in the German Bundestag is quite large. Of a total 736 seats there are 319 opposition seats. 78 of those are occupied by AFD politicians. The largest oppostion party is in fact the CDU/CSU with 197 members. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundestag

Yet curiously, all those parties share the same politics in the relevant topics, and all work together to prevent the afd to take part in any (federal or local) government. Even where they have massive votes. That is not how the party system is supposed to work.

Re: Tens of thousands protest in Germany against the rise of the far right

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Post by ghusto »

JodieBenitez wrote: post #84

Protests are fun. You can shout in the street, stroll and sing with your friends and feel morally superior. But how about addressing citizens' problems in the first place, so they don't turn to extremes ? Weird idea, I know...

It's such a strange report. What they're actually saying is "Tens of Thousands Protest Reality". It's like going out in a flood, and complaining that you got wet. The reality is that many people in Germany have been so desperate that they've been convinced that _actual goddamn fascism_ in Germany! _is the answer_.

How about we first reflect on how we got here, instead of further segregating and demonising those people, which in turn pushes them further into extremes.

Re: Tens of thousands protest in Germany against the rise of the far right

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Post by t0bia_s »

aurareturn wrote: post #47

As someone who doesn't live in Europe and never set foot in Europe, it seems like the #1 issue is immigration - both legal and refugees. Am I correct?

No. Right now its inflation, inaccessible house rents and ridiculous energy prices.

Re: Tens of thousands protest in Germany against the rise of the far right

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Post by CDRdude »

aurareturn wrote: post #18
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #8

That's not a lot, in a country of millions. We do much more in France, every year. And it's been showing diminishing returns, as the government realized it could just not listen, and nothing bad would happen. In fact, it's a drop in the sea, compared to the rising casual xenophobia I can notice with my German acquaintances, friends, and even family. Medias, general discussions, and overall atmosphere is not going in…

And when people are unhappy, you can sell them an enemy. In the US, the enemy being sold to the public is China. It's China this. China that. China is stealing your future. China is stealing our technology. Both parties are happy to throw China under the bus to win some votes and hide their deficiencies.

There’s not just one enemy being sold to the public. We are a nation of consumers and we have varied taste. Other enemies include Democrats, elites, Russia, the trans agenda, Republicans, billionaires, immigrants, fascists, and antifa.
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