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Post by andrewfelix »

mladenkovacevic wrote: post #98

Here's why Windows possibly has a shot at regaining a meaningful presence in the mobile space. 1) the untapped market potential is still huge (I myself don't own an Android or an iPhone - although I'll be buying an Android phone soon) 2) The customers gained by Android and iOS are not as loyal or as committed to each platform as the early adopters of the home PC were. When you bought your first PC, you usually spent…

>The customers gained by Android and iOS are not as loyal or as committed

I doubt Windows Phone users are any more loyal. I'm a current Windows user and I intend to go back to Android. The app market is weak and multi-tasking doesn't work particularly well. I do love the Zune software though.

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Post by jsz0 »

_gfrc wrote: post #62

Besides that - why would you actually rotate between a lot of devices? Is anyone here doing something similar? I get that it's nice to have a work phone and a private phone, but why would you rotate them? I can understand that someone wants to try something new, but in the end, I would stick to my favourite - not going back to an old one I didn't like.

I kind of do. I have an iPhone for personal use so I choose to have an Android phone for work. Not because I particularly like Android but simply because I'd like to have one to play around with. I'll probably swap it out with a WP7 device sometime this year. I can't really justify carrying around 3 (or more) phones though. 2 is enough.

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Post by chris_wot »

redthrowaway wrote: post #76
fpp wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a world of short attention spans I particularly want to listen to a podcast of the "Woz" because this is not the normal corporate gibberish that strongly contributed to the "short attention span". The occasions they let the Woz out are rare enough. Or as they say - listen and learn ;-) (and thanks for all the links)

In a world of short attention spans, listening to Woz talk while I dick around on the Internet is actually pretty appealing to my ritalin-deprived self.

In a world of short attentions spans oh look an eagle!

This whole talk about low attention spans, is it backed by any real research? I'd have thought folks on Hacker News would have longer attention spans. After all, most are developers who need to get into the zone when coding, and often read copious amounts of documentation. This sort of thing requires concentration!

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Post by vibrunazo »

gbog wrote: post #100
mladenkovacevic wrote: post #98

Here's why Windows possibly has a shot at regaining a meaningful presence in the mobile space. 1) the untapped market potential is still huge (I myself don't own an Android or an iPhone - although I'll be buying an Android phone soon) 2) The customers gained by Android and iOS are not as loyal or as committed to each platform as the early adopters of the home PC were. When you bought your first PC, you usually spent…

What I hope is that another mobile OS eat Android on its left: even more open, even less linked to big corps. This OS would be to Android what Linux is to Unix.

Are you talking about Boot2Gecko?

I personally like both and wouldn't mind either, or both, being top market share leaders. Tho Boot2Gecko is certainly years away from stability.

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Post by vibrunazo »

mladenkovacevic wrote: post #98

Here's why Windows possibly has a shot at regaining a meaningful presence in the mobile space. 1) the untapped market potential is still huge (I myself don't own an Android or an iPhone - although I'll be buying an Android phone soon) 2) The customers gained by Android and iOS are not as loyal or as committed to each platform as the early adopters of the home PC were. When you bought your first PC, you usually spent…

On the other hand. Both of these points have been true for the past one year. It has been one whole year since WP launched. It's not like it's a brand new comer bringing something the market has never seen anymore.

And during this past year, both microsoft and nokia's market share actually decreased [1]. That's with both the points you mentioned, over one year.

Don't you agree that's enough empirical evidence that those 2 points, alone, are not enough?

[1] http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2012/03/brutal-...

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

gbog wrote: post #100
mladenkovacevic wrote: post #98

Here's why Windows possibly has a shot at regaining a meaningful presence in the mobile space. 1) the untapped market potential is still huge (I myself don't own an Android or an iPhone - although I'll be buying an Android phone soon) 2) The customers gained by Android and iOS are not as loyal or as committed to each platform as the early adopters of the home PC were. When you bought your first PC, you usually spent…

What I hope is that another mobile OS eat Android on its left: even more open, even less linked to big corps. This OS would be to Android what Linux is to Unix.

The problem isn't really the OS. It would be hard to find something significantly more open than stock Android sans the Google integration. The problem is that the OEMs (largely at the behest of AT&T et al) sell most of the devices with locked bootloaders.

The tablet market has the potential to be the thin end of the wedge toward fixing that though. Suppose several of the existing PC makers like Dell get into the tablet market and start offering WiFi-only devices available with stock Android and unlocked boot loaders. I have to assume that those companies would be happy to see some real competition for Microsoft for once.

The trouble is going to be that Microsoft may be back to its old tricks with regard to not allowing PC OEMs to preinstall "Linux" on their hardware. We've already heard ruminations about Win8-on-ARM requiring a locked boot loader. It remains to be seen whether the PC makers will be willing to throw their users under the bus in order to appease Microsoft.

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Post by wmf »

pitdesi wrote: post #63
ComputerGuru wrote: post #9

I don't know why the other comment's been killed, but this is blogspam. Original story here, from the ones that actually interviewed Wozniak: http://anewdomain.net/2012/04/26/apple-founder-inventor-stev...

In a world of short attention spans, I don't want to listen to a podcast, and I doubt the podcast would have skyrocketed up the HN page. Increasingly, smaller articles about other articles get much more traffic than the original source. One such example is the well-researched NYT article about how companies learn your secrets, and then the Forbes article that cut the crap and got to the real shocker of the story and…

Increasingly, smaller articles about other articles get much more traffic than the original source.

This may be a good lesson for writers to learn (imagine how a pageview-whore would summarize your article, then summarize it yourself), but in the meantime we shouldn't encourage it IMO.

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Post by clarky07 »

nextparadigms wrote: post #90
ConstantineXVI wrote: post #75

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IMHO, if you used Android phones 2 years ago (I have, they sucked), you'd be killing to have a Lumia. I find the overall experience stunning despite the relatively low resolution (which is still plenty usable); their attention to detail should have Apple quaking. ICS is just now catching up in terms of polish; and they still have ways to go. I'm using the Galaxy Nexus now, but I was impressed with the Lumia enough th…

So are you impressed with the phone itself or the OS? I get the feeling that all this interest in WP7 started because people really like the phone . WP7.5 has been around for at least 6 months, and style wise its the same as it was late 2010. If Nokia didn't make a nicely designed phone, WP7 would still be as little talked about as it was before and with just as little interest. I agree with Joshua Topolsky that a lo…

I've developed apps for all 3 devices, and while I use the iPhone personally, I think WP7 is much better than android. Im talking about WP7 phones from a year ago too. Every time I use an android phone it is buggy and not at all responsive. When I click a button I don't like waiting for it to do something.

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Post by horsehead »

chris_wot wrote: post #103
redthrowaway wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a world of short attention spans, listening to Woz talk while I dick around on the Internet is actually pretty appealing to my ritalin-deprived self.

In a world of short attentions spans oh look an eagle! This whole talk about low attention spans, is it backed by any real research? I'd have thought folks on Hacker News would have longer attention spans. After all, most are developers who need to get into the zone when coding, and often read copious amounts of documentation. This sort of thing requires concentration!

So what you're saying (as heard from someone looking to get into the software developer field sometime soon), is that as a developer you still do a lot of documentation reading and you dont just have it all stored upstairs?

If so, that is actually encouraging!

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