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Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024

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Re: Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024

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Why? Then you have to open your browser. I use Evolution.

I don't think I am saying something controversial when I say that the majority of people have a browser open at almost all times...

Considering changes in communication, where mail is less relevant compared to discord, slack, WhatsApp, ... I guess many people can meanwhile live quite some time without looking at a mail app at all. While browser is needed regularly.

Re: Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024

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post #72

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Oh god no. This is just not the solution for most people unless you want to own their computing infrastructure until they drop dead and have to micromanage their differences galore. And for myself, I'd rather pay for O365 than use Linux on the desktop. It is just so so so broken. High DPI is a mess, half the apps are only 60% complete, weird ass bugs (LibreOffice won't open spreadsheets it created half the time for e…

You seem to really have bad luck. High DPI works without a glitch¹ on all of our developer machines², most of them using two 4k monitors in parallel. ¹ both on Wayland and X11, so maybe we're really being lucky. ² mostly Dell Laptops, but also Lenovo

Can you do 150% fractional scaling on a 27" 4K monitor in any Gnome based desktop?

Dell? I have a cupboard full of ones I've murdered and a limping one. No thanks.

Re: Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024

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Just switch to Linux already. It's really there. Some compromises required, sure, but they are already far and between. Keep it for gaming if you need. But give Proton a try first. My almost 75yo dad switched recently. I swear I'm telling the truth: his main complaint was, after buying a new printer, he couldn't find the matching drivers. I told him just to print, and that was that.

> Just switch to Linux already. I did this. Again. After running Linux as my main desktop OS from about 1992 - 1999, and some years since then. > It's really there. Some compromises required, sure, but they are already far and between. I'm not sure about that, and borderline disagree. There are a lot of compromises: - The Linux desktop is far flakier and far less elegant than Windows and especially macOS. KDE's a lit…

> A lot of the apps you love don't exist on Linux.

About this point, I switched to Ubuntu in 2009 after I realized that all the apps I was using in Windows XP were open source and available on Linux too. Some of them were actually Linux native and were much faster there, example: Gimp.

Re: Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024

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Good that thunderbird just had some big releases recently. Ready to take over the role i guess.

Still waiting for Movemail support to be restored though. When using apticron it's nice to get upgrade notifications (and other local mail) in Thunderbird rather than when I invoke a command in xterm (which I find very distracting).

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1802145

Re: Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024

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I've already opt-in to the new app and it's already showing the ads. It's one small text ad, formatted to look like an email message card. I quickly learned to ignore it. And no one is forcing anyone to use this app. You can use webmail, Thunderbird, etc... I still prefer this app with the ad to opening gmail in the browser.

It's funny because you are saying they are STARTING with an insanely bad dark pattern and you're ok with it - where to next?

I'm not sure whats the dark pattern - that the ad looks like an email? I consider that a good thing since it makes it unobtrusive and invisible. Just like google text ads.

I consider it a small price to pay for a nice app.

Re: Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024

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it's just bizarre that there isn't more embarrassment about how much worse we've made our industry. you've fucked up the economics of your global business desktop OS monopoly so badly that now you're adding ads to your free, bundled-with-the-OS-to-kill-Eudora mail client? what in shit?

Re: Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024

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One of the things I’ve appreciated a lot about macOS and iOS is that the stock Mail app is focused more on being a good generic email client than it is on trying to sell iCloud or be a profit center. It’s served me very well for the handful of IMAP addresses I use, with exception to Gmail (which has a dodgy IMAP implementation). The Windows Mail client was on its way to becoming a close analogue to Mail.app but I gue…

I wish I wasn't tied to Gmail because it means I can't really use any other clients if I want instant notifications. And their official app has ads that look like emails. I assume they must do that on purpose, right? Make their IMAP implementation bad so people will use their clients with ads? I'd kinda hope regulators would step in on something like that for a case like Gmail where they're practically the default em…

It might not have been on purpose originally but it's certainly convenient and in their best interest to leave their IMAP support in that state.

Re: Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024

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post #100

One of the things I’ve appreciated a lot about macOS and iOS is that the stock Mail app is focused more on being a good generic email client than it is on trying to sell iCloud or be a profit center. It’s served me very well for the handful of IMAP addresses I use, with exception to Gmail (which has a dodgy IMAP implementation). The Windows Mail client was on its way to becoming a close analogue to Mail.app but I gue…

I wish I wasn't tied to Gmail because it means I can't really use any other clients if I want instant notifications. And their official app has ads that look like emails. I assume they must do that on purpose, right? Make their IMAP implementation bad so people will use their clients with ads? I'd kinda hope regulators would step in on something like that for a case like Gmail where they're practically the default em…

> I wish I wasn't tied to Gmail because it means I can't really use any other clients if I want instant notifications.

what? it's supported IMAP IDLE for longer than some of the posters in HN have been alive.

> I'd kinda hope regulators would step in on something like that for a case like Gmail where they're practically the default email provider for most people.

... you chose to use some random company's domain for your email address, that's been an obvious problem for thirty years now.

there's jillions of things to criticise google about, this is absolutely not one of them.

Re: Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024

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post #67

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It's like that because mobile clients need cooperation from the server to have push notifications, and you can't have IMAP servers cooperate in that regard :-) so the outlook servers fetch the mail for you and then send you the notifications. I wouldn't have microsoft read my email either, of course. Thankfully in windows you have dozens of clients to choose from.

So you poll instead of getting a push? Thats what my phone does. I could have seen the value of this 10-15 years ago but I don’t see the point now. It isn’t like this would magically get rid of the delay either, their servers still have to poll before they can send you that notification.

You can't realiably poll from a mobile phone. Your app may not be allowed to execute any code, let alone make a network request for hours, or maybe forever.
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