Windows 11... now with more AOL!
Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024
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Re: Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024
#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
Note to self: the market for 3rd party windows mail clients is going to grow next year.
Just switch to Linux already. It's really there. Some compromises required, sure, but they are already far and between. Keep it for gaming if you need. But give Proton a try first. My almost 75yo dad switched recently. I swear I'm telling the truth: his main complaint was, after buying a new printer, he couldn't find the matching drivers. I told him just to print, and that was that.
Oh god no. This is just not the solution for most people unless you want to own their computing infrastructure until they drop dead and have to micromanage their differences galore.
And for myself, I'd rather pay for O365 than use Linux on the desktop. It is just so so so broken. High DPI is a mess, half the apps are only 60% complete, weird ass bugs (LibreOffice won't open spreadsheets it created half the time for example) and on top of that things break all the time on routine upgrades from power management to GPU drivers.
I say this as someone who actually spends most of the day SSH'ed into Linux boxes.
I've been trying for 25 years to get it on my desktop and it's nowhere near any commercial product in any way.
Re: Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024
#73Seems like a lot of companies are aiming for the trifecta of: subscription payments + increasingly worse product + show ads
It's in the spirit of preloaded crapware, Yahoo, and AOL.
Re: Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024
#74Is this 'free' outlook different to the version that ships with O365?
Re: Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024
#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
Note to self: the market for 3rd party windows mail clients is going to grow next year.
I have the idea that most people use browser-based email clients anyway?
New Outlook is a browser based email client strangely. It runs roughly the same code on the desktop as on outlook.com. It's Edge underneath.
Re: Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024
#76I dread the day where my windows 10 machine will automatically upgrade to 11. So far I've been able to decline - even though the "no" button seems to get a bit smaller and better hidden every time. One day I know I'll wake up and it will be windows 11. It will always have been 11. There was no versions before 11.
Part of using windows at this point is learning how to turn off all the bait and switch nonsense and user hostile stuff going on under the hood. There are a lot of programs and scripts out there to turn off telemetry, ads, forced updates and more. Unfortunately it is required to not be at the mercy of your OS updating under you or selling your data behind the scenes.
Re: Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024
#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Why? Then you have to open your browser. To me, the question isn't "why use my browser", it's "why use something else when I already have a browser and it's always open"?
For me, the answer is "because native mail clients are so much snappier and responsive". As well as being able to choose my client based on the interface I prefer, rather than whatever UI the webmail provider decides to give me. And my mail client is also always open. And it uses less memory than a typical browser tab.
The reality I think is, the average user probably doesn't care about snappyness as long as it is not too bothersome. The path of least resistance is opening the webmail (no setup required).
Re: Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024
#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
Just switch to Linux already. It's really there. Some compromises required, sure, but they are already far and between. Keep it for gaming if you need. But give Proton a try first. My almost 75yo dad switched recently. I swear I'm telling the truth: his main complaint was, after buying a new printer, he couldn't find the matching drivers. I told him just to print, and that was that.
Oh god no. This is just not the solution for most people unless you want to own their computing infrastructure until they drop dead and have to micromanage their differences galore. And for myself, I'd rather pay for O365 than use Linux on the desktop. It is just so so so broken. High DPI is a mess, half the apps are only 60% complete, weird ass bugs (LibreOffice won't open spreadsheets it created half the time for e…
You seem to really have bad luck. High DPI works without a glitch¹ on all of our developer machines², most of them using two 4k monitors in parallel.
¹ both on Wayland and X11, so maybe we're really being lucky.
² mostly Dell Laptops, but also Lenovo
Re: Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024
#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Just switch to Linux already. I did this. Again. After running Linux as my main desktop OS from about 1992 - 1999, and some years since then. > It's really there. Some compromises required, sure, but they are already far and between. I'm not sure about that, and borderline disagree. There are a lot of compromises: - The Linux desktop is far flakier and far less elegant than Windows and especially macOS. KDE's a lit…
It's just what you're used to. I wouldn't be able to get through my day on a windows box, I'd be so frustrated. A lot of the apps that I love don't exist on windows. Unix vs windows is like a very large and well stocked toolbox versus a set of nail clippers and a bent hairpin.
I agree. I did hold out for a year on modern Linux desktop, but I think the relative elegance of macOS has ruined me, I think.
At some point in the next year or two, I plan to re-dogfood Linux desktop with i3 or Sway, as I effectively work in a tiled arrangement and it's far more stable than GNOME.
I don't really use Windows, but when I do, I'm pretty much in a web browser or WSL. I don't have much interest in the rest of it anymore, especially with the ruination Microsoft is committing.
While I've done a lot of Windows programming and PowerShell and whatnot, I'm a UNIX native, I'm old, and I'm sticking with some variant of it until EOL.
Re: Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024
#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
I had this exact same reaction less than a week ago and it prompted me to switch to Thunderbird. For years I've fallen into the "if not for gaming ..." camp of Windows users. But I'm getting closer and closer to just not caring about that any more and switching to Mac or Linux instead just to get away from Windows.
Gaming hasn't been an "excuse" for years. More games run on GNU/Linux than any gaming console, installed as easily as finding the game on Steam / GOG / itch.io etc. and clicking "install". I actually switched to GNU/Linux in college because I wanted to play video games less. This happened right before Proton was released in 2018. Let's just say that I was very unsuccessful in my goal when switching.
I feel like just looking at the numbers isn't really a good counter on wether or not a platform is viable.
However gaming is still very much an excuse. On my Steam Deck I even primarily use Windows after not being able to use Game Pass, issues with Kingdom Hearts, and anything through Epic game launcher being a mixed bag.
Proton is great but it really isn't a silver bullet and you may need to go to Windows if you want to play a specific game.