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Re: AI demand is already shrinking

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Post by bathtub365 »

SkyPuncher wrote: post #94
voxl wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny, because AI has seen plenty of applications before ChatGPT, yet "the oncoming train" in most peoples heads is "this is going to completely replace artists, programmers, etc" This is what is laughable, and has been from the very beginning. Will we _continue_ to use AI to try and find novel drug treatments? Yes. Will chatbots still be the first thing a customer support flow uses (and will it still suck)? Yes.

I strongly disagree. LLMs made AI accessible to the masses in a way that previous tools couldn’t. Instead of having to collect a bunch of data, clean it, and train on it, you can simply write plain, human prompts. That’s extremely powerful.

And get incorrect information. “Simply fix it being wrong” is a bottomless problem.

Re: AI demand is already shrinking

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Post by _boffin_ »

starik36 wrote: post #29

It's weird to me that some people just don't see the oncoming train. AI is here to stay. Use cases are still being worked out, but it's here to stay. Reminds me of the Astound application around 1995-1996. It was a pretty major PowerPoint competitor and I used it a lot. For whatever reason, they only had a Windows 3.1 version. So I called them asking when the Windows 95 version was coming out. They told me they didn'…

I gave a presentation to our CTO this morning on utilizing LLMs to do a myriad of enterprise DX tasks. The amount of excitement that came out of that meeting was thick enough to cut through.

This ain't going no where and will only be integrated into everything we have around us.

Heck, soon, i'll start building my own dumb version of Jarvis i can talk to at home, which i'm truly excited for.

Re: AI demand is already shrinking

#103

Post by SkyPuncher »

bathtub365 wrote: post #101
SkyPuncher wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I strongly disagree. LLMs made AI accessible to the masses in a way that previous tools couldn’t. Instead of having to collect a bunch of data, clean it, and train on it, you can simply write plain, human prompts. That’s extremely powerful.

And get incorrect information. “Simply fix it being wrong” is a bottomless problem.

Humans are wrong all the time; especially on complex problems.

There's an amazing amount of things LLMs can do if a human is still in the loop. It's like having an assistant or a junior on your team. They can do the heavy lifting, but you still want to check the summary of their work.

Re: AI demand is already shrinking

#104

Post by satvikpendem »

marcodiego wrote: post #19

It really looks like ChatGPT suffered from some form of "initial over hype syndrome". I'm not underestimating it, actually I think the application of transformers to do what ChatGPT is capable of doing is something really impressive, novel and caught the world by surprise. I'm sure we'll find many equally impressively good applications for it. But people eventually found its limitations. And did it quite fast. People…

It's amazing that the article's author talked at length about the hype decreasing yet didn't realize that this is just the Gartner hype cycle in action [0]. We are currently on the downward slope towards the trough of disillusionment after the huge peak, but over time we'll equalize towards the new status quo of using AI everywhere and not even thinking about it, same as we do with smartphones now.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gartner_hype_cycle

Re: AI demand is already shrinking

#105

Post by tuatoru »

satvikpendem wrote: post #104
marcodiego wrote: post #19

It really looks like ChatGPT suffered from some form of "initial over hype syndrome". I'm not underestimating it, actually I think the application of transformers to do what ChatGPT is capable of doing is something really impressive, novel and caught the world by surprise. I'm sure we'll find many equally impressively good applications for it. But people eventually found its limitations. And did it quite fast. People…

It's amazing that the article's author talked at length about the hype decreasing yet didn't realize that this is just the Gartner hype cycle in action [0]. We are currently on the downward slope towards the trough of disillusionment after the huge peak, but over time we'll equalize towards the new status quo of using AI everywhere and not even thinking about it, same as we do with smartphones now. [0] https://en.wik…

The Gartner hype cycle is way overhyped, and we are now in the trough of disillusionment regarding it. I dobt we'll climb out.

Re: AI demand is already shrinking

#106

Post by ryzvonusef »

I think it's a typical "depth vs breadth" kind of deal.

Sure it's exciting to keep drilling down to discover newer ores or whatever... but you have to stop at one point and actually start going wide and explore the site.

Same with AI, the drilling depth might have stalled for now, but excavating breadth is still wide open with possibilities. Who know what connections we will make with the new discoveries we make, when AI discoveries from one sector interact with discoveries from another sector.

Re: AI demand is already shrinking

#107

Post by jsunderland323 »

tuatoru wrote: post #105
satvikpendem wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's amazing that the article's author talked at length about the hype decreasing yet didn't realize that this is just the Gartner hype cycle in action [0]. We are currently on the downward slope towards the trough of disillusionment after the huge peak, but over time we'll equalize towards the new status quo of using AI everywhere and not even thinking about it, same as we do with smartphones now. [0] https://en.wik…

The Gartner hype cycle is way overhyped, and we are now in the trough of disillusionment regarding it. I dobt we'll climb out.

Why do people think the garter hype cycle is a law of physics?

The cryto people have been pointing to garter hype for over a decade. Still not using Bitcoin for anything and would be extremely surprised if my disillusionment ever subsided.

Re: AI demand is already shrinking

#108

Post by ramblerman »

satvikpendem wrote: post #104
marcodiego wrote: post #19

It really looks like ChatGPT suffered from some form of "initial over hype syndrome". I'm not underestimating it, actually I think the application of transformers to do what ChatGPT is capable of doing is something really impressive, novel and caught the world by surprise. I'm sure we'll find many equally impressively good applications for it. But people eventually found its limitations. And did it quite fast. People…

It's amazing that the article's author talked at length about the hype decreasing yet didn't realize that this is just the Gartner hype cycle in action [0]. We are currently on the downward slope towards the trough of disillusionment after the huge peak, but over time we'll equalize towards the new status quo of using AI everywhere and not even thinking about it, same as we do with smartphones now. [0] https://en.wik…

> same as we do with smartphones now.

You picked an interesting example, were smartphones ever even part of the gartner hype cycle.

I think it was just a straight steady upwards line that rounded off.

Re: AI demand is already shrinking

#109

Post by phreeza »

distant_hat wrote: post #21

I feel this might be more of a mild 'Trough of disillusionment' in the hype cycle than a real shrinking of demand. The other thing with ChatGPT specifically is that during really high usage times, its usability was impacted, so may have driven off some users. Also, ChatGPT has been RLHFed to death. Outside of regular corporate or homework like use cases, the output often feels bland and overspiced with adjectives. I…

This meme that models are (mainly) hindered by the constraints on political correctness is really tiring. The alignment tax to get that is really not that huge, and what are the use cases enabled by not having it? Kinky roleplay dialogues? The real thing holding back these models IMO is more fundamental stuff like truthfulness and reasoning capabilities.

Re: AI demand is already shrinking

#110

Post by Macha »

ramblerman wrote: post #108
satvikpendem wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's amazing that the article's author talked at length about the hype decreasing yet didn't realize that this is just the Gartner hype cycle in action [0]. We are currently on the downward slope towards the trough of disillusionment after the huge peak, but over time we'll equalize towards the new status quo of using AI everywhere and not even thinking about it, same as we do with smartphones now. [0] https://en.wik…

> same as we do with smartphones now. You picked an interesting example, were smartphones ever even part of the gartner hype cycle. I think it was just a straight steady upwards line that rounded off.

Blackberries and Symbian
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