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Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

#101
There should be jail time for asking someone to be subject to third party surveillance anywhere commercial activity is involved.

"Sorry anon, we won't point a web browser at your colocated Jitsi instance, please install this malware named Zoom and let a third party gather your likeness to deepfake you better". Put these cunts in jail.

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

#102

At the scale of Zoom and MS Teams ... you could theoretically train an AI model that can autonomously conduct all meetings businesses ever need -- all day every day -- without any human ever needing to attend. So much productivity claimed back! GenAI provides the agenda, GenAI bots log in with a AI avatar and spout hallucinations, bots agree to disagree and setup a followup meeting next week after resolving fake cale…

And this continues even after the human race disappears.

There's a dystopian sci-fi novel here somewhere.

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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"..for any purpose", how is this ever supposed to fly in the EU or UK? Should be opt-in, not in the small print, and entirely optional.

You're both misquoting and misunderstanding. Misquoting in that you clipped out the "to the extent and in the manner permitted under applicable Law". And misunderstanding since the text was talking "service generated data", not about "customer data". That's basically data generated by their system (e.g. debug logs). It's not the data you entered into the system (contact information), the calls you made, the chats you…

I don't think they carved themselves out this permission for the purpose of training an AI on debug logs. For all we know "Zoom compiles Service Generated Data based on Customer Content" may include them compiling an mp4 of your call. That would seem to fall under the part of the definition that says "data that Zoom collects or generates in connection with your or your End Users’ use of the Services or Software"

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

#104

Isn't this a huge legal minefield when you think about schools using zoom for online learning?

Education is schizophrenic. One part constantly fears it's missing a beat and jumps on new tech without thinking about it. Another part believes that kids are able to construct all human knowledge by playing together in a field. Education Technology seems to focus on selling education machines [1] (now with AI) to the first group while the second group focus on resenting any form of testing at all. Which leads to * ,…

I was thinking along the lines of harvesting "user content" from minors but ok.

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

#105
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sign me up lmao

If you watch the video for office 365 next with ai it's basically this and really made me question things.

Microsoft is very good at marketing. Their materials, like videos, rarely map to tell functionally of the service.

My job has, in part, become tempering people's expectations for Microsoft copilot.

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

#106

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How does Jitsi handle 500-person+ conference calls these days? This is the killer zoom feature - it looks like Jitsi can handle up to 500 now. https://jaas.8x8.vc/#/comparison . That's personally not enough for many remote companies. So if we're going to have to have Zoom on our machines anyway (to handle an all-company meeting), why not just use it for the rest?

Are 500-person conference calls actually productive? Surely the number of speakers in any such meeting will be a small percentage of listeners?

Very... Particularly when the CEO announces half of those present are sacked...

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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What are the alternatives people have tried and had good experiences with?

We use Google Meet at our company for everything including external client and vendor calls. Not to say Google has the best track record with privacy… but its feature set is on par with Zoom in most areas (I personally like it because it’s 100% sandboxed in the browser)

Google at least has a better track record with _security_ than Zoom.

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

#108

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Are 500-person conference calls actually productive? Surely the number of speakers in any such meeting will be a small percentage of listeners?

It's useful. It's more of a large-scale broadcast situation. Think of large corporate town halls, town council meetings, etc.

You can just have a conference call with the 5-10 speakers and use broadcasting software to stream it to the audience, why do they need to be in the conference?
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