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OpenStreetMap: Welcome Apple

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Re: OpenStreetMap: Welcome Apple

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Post by olt »

cicloid wrote: post #42
sambeau wrote: post #2

"It’s also missing the necessary credit to OpenStreetMap’s contributors; we look forward to working with Apple to get that on there."

Could the credits be embedded in the copyright for the software/eula/about in the App? The GIStiquette, seems to imply that there is almost always some copyright in the footer of the map. Could this copyright be embedded in the documentation (à la MIT) and still comply?

Well, the license (CC-By-SA) requires that "The credit required by this Section 4(c) may be implemented in any reasonable manner;". So it doesn't need to be in the footer of the map, when there is no footer at all ("at least as prominent as the credits for the other contributing authors"), but I think the EULA/about not reasonable.

But other people might disagree. There are even people that think the whole license is invalid and that it can be used as Public Domain, because the license is for creative work and not meant to be used for databases. This is the major reason OSM is changing to a different license right now (ODbL).

Edit: See here http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Why_CC_BY-SA_is_Un...

Re: OpenStreetMap: Welcome Apple

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Post by [deleted] »

cicloid wrote: post #42
sambeau wrote: post #2

"It’s also missing the necessary credit to OpenStreetMap’s contributors; we look forward to working with Apple to get that on there."

Could the credits be embedded in the copyright for the software/eula/about in the App? The GIStiquette, seems to imply that there is almost always some copyright in the footer of the map. Could this copyright be embedded in the documentation (à la MIT) and still comply?

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Re: OpenStreetMap: Welcome Apple

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Post by sirclueless »

oconnor0 wrote: post #74
rmc wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No-one really know how far CC goes, and that's one reason OSM is changing licence to a new Open Database Licence (ODbL)

Why wouldn't CC cover this?

Because they aren't distributing OSM data or a renderer, just images created from OSM data.

Re: OpenStreetMap: Welcome Apple

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Post by ugh »

Someone wrote: post #100
ugh wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn’t find anything. There is just the license agreement in that place which doesn’t seem to make any reference to OSM.

Did you look where (s)he indicated or at the right place? Settings-General-About lists (zillions) of licenses for projects used in iOS itself. If I understand this correctly, this is about the new iPhoto app. The Numbers and Pages apps have an 'Acknowledgements' page in the Settings app. Is that where you looked?

Yep, that’s where I looked.

Re: OpenStreetMap: Welcome Apple

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Post by megablast »

trin_ wrote: post #31
ugh wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know what's going on there. OSM does have lots of detail for Germany and the problems with OSM are more general ones with the consistency of label placement and such. No map breaking stuff. Apple's tiles, however have more glaring mistakes (double labels, missing labels).

its missing detail? at least in my city its much more detailed than gmaps

It would be very helpful in this situation to actually mention your city? Promise we will not come after you.

Re: OpenStreetMap: Welcome Apple

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Post by megablast »

rmc wrote: post #83
dan1234 wrote: post #51

Has it been confirmed that they're using OSM data or could the data be a product of their acquisition of Placebase (back in 2009)? Apple have actually been using this tile set for a while (it's used in the slide show mode of the current version of iPhoto for OS X).

Yes, it looks like OSM. There are small roads that I've mapped that are only on OSM, and are present on these maps. The data from OSM is from april 2010 (based on "The road added to OSM on $DATE1 is on these appple tiles, but the the road added on $DATE2 isn't") And yes, it looks like they've been using it for a while, no-one noticed till now.

> And yes, it looks like they've been using it for a while, no-one noticed till now.

What do you mean by that? This is all from software released today, right?

Re: OpenStreetMap: Welcome Apple

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Post by rmc »

oconnor0 wrote: post #74
rmc wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No-one really know how far CC goes, and that's one reason OSM is changing licence to a new Open Database Licence (ODbL)

Why wouldn't CC cover this?

OSM is a database of geographic facts ("There is a road here. It is called Main Street. It is a primary road." etc.) Copyright of databases is non-obvious, so they are switching to a click through database EULA thingie.

Re: OpenStreetMap: Welcome Apple

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Post by jarek »

rmc wrote: post #78
JVIDEL wrote: post #75

What is the word I'm looking for, "disappointed"? The lack of given credit to OSM doesn't seems like an accident, and I was looking forward to see what Apple was doing with that amazing mapping technology from SAAB. This is underwhelming to say the least, I was expecting much more from Apple.

I presume the missing attribution was an accident. They cannot avoid it for much longer. It's legally required under the OSM copyright licence (CC-BY-SA)

Yeah. Apple isn't known for sweating the small stuff.

Accident my ass! Incompetence, at best. If this was Microsoft or Oracle, not Apple, HN would be grabbing their pitchforks in three seconds.

Re: OpenStreetMap: Welcome Apple

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Post by happycube »

tcard wrote: post #44
ugh wrote: post #20

Then congratulations Apple, for making a not so great map even worse. I can't really judge map quality in the US, but in Germany it sucks. Cities show up twice or are missing completely, labels are often small, unreadable and ugly. There is no consistency in the placement of lables. OSM has its fair share of inconsistencies but it's not that bad. The map is ok for what it is: Just for presentation inside of iPhoto, n…

Out of curiosity, I made a comparison between the two towns where most of my photos are taken as seen in GMaps vs. OSM. http://cl.ly/133M1H3W2W362S2F0l13 http://cl.ly/2P2d3y042N1T0o2p390H 600k and 60k inhabitants respectively.

Dang... that makes GMaps look like Bing ;)

In my town (Santa Barbara, CA) OSM looks decent - not as many details as GMaps, but more than some others...

Re: OpenStreetMap: Welcome Apple

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Post by adriand »

fennecfoxen wrote: post #90
cbs wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's idealistic naivete to assume the best of everyone. But you're right, pretending to does make it more comfortable to operate in the world.

It can also make it expedient and more effective to operate in the real world. You can always say "we tried to approach them and work with them nicely" when you start making noise and going nuclear after they don't respond.

Exactly, it's a very pragmatic move. After all, who has more lawyers? I think that people need to ask the question, "What do I hope to get out of this particular thing I'm about to do or say?" more often, as opposed to, "What am I justified in doing or saying?"
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