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OpenStreetMap: Welcome Apple

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Re: OpenStreetMap: Welcome Apple

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Post by simonw »

ugh wrote: post #27
NameNickHN wrote: post #26

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> but in Germany it sucks That's funny. A German client of mine specifically asked me to put an OpenStreetMap map right next to the Google Map because the details of OpenStreetMap were more precise. The client creates POI geo coordinates and uses the maps to find the best position for a poi.

I don't know what's going on there. OSM does have lots of detail for Germany and the problems with OSM are more general ones with the consistency of label placement and such. No map breaking stuff. Apple's tiles, however have more glaring mistakes (double labels, missing labels).

It sounds like you're complaining about the quality of the OSM renderer, not the underlying data. There are a bunch of different renderers out there that can use OSM data - maybe one of the others would help?

Re: OpenStreetMap: Welcome Apple

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Post by Timothee »

Gring wrote: post #60
tcard wrote: post #44

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Out of curiosity, I made a comparison between the two towns where most of my photos are taken as seen in GMaps vs. OSM. http://cl.ly/133M1H3W2W362S2F0l13 http://cl.ly/2P2d3y042N1T0o2p390H 600k and 60k inhabitants respectively.

Interesting. From your screenshots, Apple's maps are so bad it's not even funny. It's just very, very bad. Steve would've never allowed such a thing to ship. Is this a first sign that without an asshole with taste at the top, the erosion of Apple is inevitable?

The OSM images that tcard used are from openstreetmap.org, not from the iPhoto app.

My understanding is that Apple used the data from OSM to produce their own tiles, which, I believe, look much better than this.

Re: OpenStreetMap: Welcome Apple

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Post by oconnor0 »

rmc wrote: post #61
mokus wrote: post #56

In addition to the attribution, I'd like to know how they are going to comply with the "share-alike" part of the license. Where can I download "Apple maps"? According to the OSM FAQ, it should contain not only the OSM data but all other data they have merged in. It also seems like they should be required to release all the styling parameters and/or code needed to render the maps exactly as they appear in iPhoto - doe…

No-one really know how far CC goes, and that's one reason OSM is changing licence to a new Open Database Licence (ODbL)

Why wouldn't CC cover this?

Re: OpenStreetMap: Welcome Apple

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Post by JVIDEL »

What is the word I'm looking for, "disappointed"?

The lack of given credit to OSM doesn't seems like an accident, and I was looking forward to see what Apple was doing with that amazing mapping technology from SAAB.

This is underwhelming to say the least, I was expecting much more from Apple.

Re: OpenStreetMap: Welcome Apple

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Post by rmc »

ElliotH wrote: post #64
sambeau wrote: post #2

"It’s also missing the necessary credit to OpenStreetMap’s contributors; we look forward to working with Apple to get that on there."

While I think it's quite messed up that a company as rich as Apple can't abide putting credits for people who have put some really good work in (I've even made small updates to OSM in my time) I do think that this is a very classy move by the OSM people, no ranting blog post or 'Apple stole our stuff', welcoming people presents a much better image of the project.

Attribution is required by the OSM copyright licence.

Re: OpenStreetMap: Welcome Apple

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Post by rmc »

JVIDEL wrote: post #75

What is the word I'm looking for, "disappointed"? The lack of given credit to OSM doesn't seems like an accident, and I was looking forward to see what Apple was doing with that amazing mapping technology from SAAB. This is underwhelming to say the least, I was expecting much more from Apple.

I presume the missing attribution was an accident. They cannot avoid it for much longer. It's legally required under the OSM copyright licence (CC-BY-SA)

Re: OpenStreetMap: Welcome Apple

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Post by ajross »

RandallBrown wrote: post #69
randallsquared wrote: post #8

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One of these is far nicer and clearer than the other: http://alastaira.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/image3.png http://alastaira.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/image4.png Apple's version comes up really lacking in comparison to the default OSM one, which I would call gorgeous, personally.

OSM is trying to give you directions, Apple is trying to show you the general area of where a photo was taken. I like that Apple is throwing away some of the information to make it look a little nicer. In a map app though, this would be stupid.

I think your broad point is valid (brevity and concision are virtues). But in this specific situation your way off, sorry.

That photo was taken in a park. In one of those maps that fact is abundantly clear. In the other it's not. Hell, in the apple map the trails look like roads. How on earth could anyone call that "clear"?

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