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The paper covers this quite explicitly in sections 3 and 4.1.

They mention they have some measures to "compensate for non-representative sampling in the dataset" > we are reweighting the Nexar data sample, which is sampled from a non-representative set of locations, so that it matches the locations where different demographic groups actually live. For example, to calculate the police deployment levels that Asian residents of New York City experience, we reweight the original da…

> Before describing the details of the framework, the high-level intuition is that we are reweighting the Nexar data sample, which is sampled from a non-representative set of locations, so that it matches the locations where different demographic groups actually live. For example, to calculate the police deployment levels that Asian residents of New York City experience, we reweight the original data sample to upsample neighborhoods with larger Asian populations.

> Overall, our estimation procedure compensates for two types of potential bias. Equation 2 compensates for a data bias, reweighting the Nexar dataset (which is sampled from a set of locations which does not necessarily match the population distribution; Figure 1) to match the population distribution of demographic subgroups. This is conceptually similar to inverse propensity weighting procedures [4] which are used to compensate for non-representative data in other settings. Equation 3 compensates for imperfect model performance, and allows us to check that model performance is unbiased (i.e., calibrated) across demographic subgroups.

Section 4.1 goes into the mathematical functions they use to address the data set.

Section 3.2 describes the data set and how it is geographically distributed.

> Data was provided to us by Nexar in two phases. Phase 1 consists of 3,987,835 images sampled prior to September 1 2020, and is extremely geographically and temporally skewed. Geographically, it is concentrated within the boroughs of Manhattan and Brooklyn, and does not contain data from the boroughs of Staten Island, Queens, and the Bronx at all; temporally, it overrepresents data from Thursday nights. Phase 2, which constitutes the majority of the dataset, consists of 20,816,019 images sampled after October 4 2020, and is much more geographically and temporally representative: it is sampled at all times of the day, on all days of the week, and also covers the entire geographic area of New York City.

> Because Phase 2 is much more representative than Phase 1, we conduct our primary analysis of disparities using only data from Phase 2. We additionally conduct numerous validations and bias corrections, described in §4.1, to compensate for non-representative sampling in the dataset. Geographic and temporal coverage during the Phase 2 period is very good. Specifically, 100% of hours during the Phase 2 period are covered; 99.6% of Census Block Groups (CBGs)3 have at least one image, with a mean of 168.2 images per CBG; 88% of roads contained within the borders of New York City are covered by at least one image, using data from OSMNX [6]. Figure 1 summarizes geographic data availability; Figure S1 summarizes temporal data availability.

Re: Dashcam images reveal where police are deployed

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> Two strikingly different types of areas experience high police vehicle deployments — 1) dense, higher-income, commercial areas and 2) lower-income neighborhoods with higher proportions of Black and Hispanic residents. We discuss the implications of these disparities for policing equity and for algorithms trained on policing data. You can see the history of police in this. Uniformed police depts were founded by merc…

> Prior to uniformed police, we had town watch/night watch/shire reeves . So what is the difference between them beyond the uniform and the name? Law enforcement is law enforcement no matter how you call it. > The results of this research saying, "wealth and race seem to be where police are deployed" is a fascinating rhyme to the origins of police. I don’t think it is appropriate to compare protection of people in de…

I didn't compare protection of people in low income areas. I compared policing of people in low income areas.

Policing and protection are not synonyms. Ideally they overlap, in practice they may or may not overlap.

Re: Dashcam images reveal where police are deployed

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They got paid to enforce the law.

I'm saying the opposite. Originally, enforcement was communal - it was a periodic expectation, something you did but didn't get paid for. Then the wealthy started paying people to take the unpleasant shift, but even then the pay wasn't to enforce the law, it was pay to take over for some rich guy who didn't want to be up all night. People whose career is law enforcement is newer and the compensation and expectations…

You are saying that for thousands of years of civilization nobody got paid for law enforcement before capitalism? Yeah, that doesn't sound very plausible.

Re: Dashcam images reveal where police are deployed

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I'm saying the opposite. Originally, enforcement was communal - it was a periodic expectation, something you did but didn't get paid for. Then the wealthy started paying people to take the unpleasant shift, but even then the pay wasn't to enforce the law, it was pay to take over for some rich guy who didn't want to be up all night. People whose career is law enforcement is newer and the compensation and expectations…

You are saying that for thousands of years of civilization nobody got paid for law enforcement before capitalism? Yeah, that doesn't sound very plausible.

It was not so much law enforcement, but protection of property. Especially during harvest seasons in old days, farmers pay a share of harvest to protectors. Some kind of such protection has had existed, for sure, without formal laws or without formal law enforcements. It was more of customs, traditions, with some sense of reasonableness.

Re: Dashcam images reveal where police are deployed

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I'm saying the opposite. Originally, enforcement was communal - it was a periodic expectation, something you did but didn't get paid for. Then the wealthy started paying people to take the unpleasant shift, but even then the pay wasn't to enforce the law, it was pay to take over for some rich guy who didn't want to be up all night. People whose career is law enforcement is newer and the compensation and expectations…

You are saying that for thousands of years of civilization nobody got paid for law enforcement before capitalism? Yeah, that doesn't sound very plausible.

I don't know what to tell you.

People were paid to protect someone's stuff, those people were called guards, but they weren't enforcing law. Some people were given ownership of a place and the people in that place, they were called lords or knights, but they weren't enforcing laws, they were enforcing their will.

Some communities had expectations and rules, and the community was self policing - if you did theft, the mob would come punish you. They weren't enforcing laws and certainly weren't paid. Their justice was uneven and often brutal.

Sometimes soldiers would be pressed into enforcing laws, but they were being paid to be soldiers.

Eventually we got to some folks who were paid to enforce laws. Some of the earliest were "Shire Reeves" (from which we derive the word sheriff). A shire reeve was a single man who was charged with keeping order in a shire. That's not exactly enforcing laws, but it's close enough in spirit. A reeve would hire temporary folks in a posse if needed to achieve a temporary goal, but did not have a police department.

Temporary posses were not uniformed, and were typically paid for short term labor - arrest this guy or get that property back. A reeve may have guards for his safety or to intimidate local folks, but those guards weren't really law enforcement.

Around the fourteenth century, governments started relying on formal roles known as justices of peace, or conservators of peace, who were explicitly charged with binding people to laws and enforcing laws. They were relatively large in number and the practice continued through to the industrial revolution. Except JPs weren't paid, they were typically gentry who enjoyed the social status it granted them.

The history of US police is really fascinating, and not something most people really every dive into. They believe it was always this way, but it very much wasn't. Police as a concept like we know them is very, very modern.

Re: Dashcam images reveal where police are deployed

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And if stop-and-frisk is extended to vehicles? Would America tolerate cops randomly pulling over cars that looked "criminal"? Or we could take it a step further and just randomly search homes.

Sure, it could be a slippery slope, but the problem is that no one can strictly define what “criminal-looking” means. That term is often used synonymously with “urban style,” which means “black people, and others who dress like black people.” If stop and frisk were started in the rural south and had this loose “criminal-looking” definition applied to it, all those MFers would get stopped every day for being skinny, h…

But can't you define everything as a slippery slope?

If we allow cops to arrest people for discharging a firearm in public, next they'll arrest people for simply pulling a gun in public...then eventually just having a gun in public!

Re: Dashcam images reveal where police are deployed

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It depends how you read that sentence. Race doesn't matter if "low-income neighborhoods with higher proportions of Black and Latino residents" is simply stating that all low income neighborhoods have higher proportions of Black and Latino residents. Although it's kind of relevant if all downstream bias in arrests etc, say, goes away when you control for income. But I read it as "of all low income neighborhoods, ones…

You were misled. From the paper: "we report racial and socioeconomic disparities without attempting to control for other covariates." [1] https://dl.acm.org/doi/fullHtml/10.1145/3593013.3594020

Let’s also quote why

“We report racial and socioeconomic disparities without attempting to control for other covariates. First, if New York City residents of different races face different levels of police deployments, that disparate impact is itself important; it can also bias algorithms trained on downstream policing data irrespective of the true causal mechanism. Second, controlling for other factors in policing data can be difficult to interpret, introducing concerns about omitted variable bias and model misspecification which make it difficult to identify which factor is truly the “cause” of higher police deployments. For the sake of transparency and simplicity, therefore, we report results by stratifying each variable separately, noting that these disparities are themselves important but that multiple causal mechanisms may underlie them.”

Re: Dashcam images reveal where police are deployed

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Misled implies a degree of intent, the wording is ambiguous but I don't assume ill intent by the author, especially when they later spend a paragraph explaining why they did not slice by covariates.

It is either purposefully misleading or unreasonably reckless. It is obviously ambiguous and screams of ragebait. I wanted to punch my monitor and fire the author of article when I read this sentence because it is just inflammatory racebait.

You should consider checking your humors or mediate or something, because wanting to do violence because of some Internet text is not healthy human behavior.

Re: Dashcam images reveal where police are deployed

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It is either purposefully misleading or unreasonably reckless. It is obviously ambiguous and screams of ragebait. I wanted to punch my monitor and fire the author of article when I read this sentence because it is just inflammatory racebait.

You should consider checking your humors or mediate or something, because wanting to do violence because of some Internet text is not healthy human behavior.

Inciting race hate is not healthy human behavior. Getting mad at someone who incites race hate is perfectly healthy IMO.

Re: Dashcam images reveal where police are deployed

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You are saying that for thousands of years of civilization nobody got paid for law enforcement before capitalism? Yeah, that doesn't sound very plausible.

I don't know what to tell you. People were paid to protect someone's stuff, those people were called guards, but they weren't enforcing law. Some people were given ownership of a place and the people in that place, they were called lords or knights, but they weren't enforcing laws, they were enforcing their will. Some communities had expectations and rules, and the community was self policing - if you did theft, the…

> People were paid to protect someone's stuff, those people were called guards, but they weren't enforcing law.

So you deny that some people were paid to enforce the law at some point of time somewhere? So the Code of Hammurabi was just a useless piece of stone nobody cared about?

> Some people were given ownership of a place and the people in that place, they were called lords or knights, but they weren't enforcing laws, they were enforcing their will.

Lords and knights is a very recent phenomena. Civilization is much older than lords and knights. In fact, feudalism is a very peculiar part of human history. Most of the time, power was very "centralized" even if "devolved".

> Sometimes soldiers would be pressed into enforcing laws, but they were being paid to be soldiers.

They also were being paid to police, evidently, thus being the police.

> Eventually we got to some folks who were paid to enforce laws. Some of the earliest were "Shire Reeves" (from which we derive the word sheriff).

They weren't the earliest. State monopoly on violence is much older than Shire Reeves.

> The history of US police is really fascinating, and not something most people really every dive into. They believe it was always this way, but it very much wasn't. Police as a concept like we know them is very, very modern.

People believe everything in the US is a consequence of slavery. They can't comprehend that laws and cities existed before 1619, let alone before Anglo-Saxons came to Albion.

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