I couldn't spot whether the paper normalize for dash-cam density.
If one neighborhood has more dash-cams, is this paper over counting police cars in that neighborhood?
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#42This is the kind of "policing is racist" kind of propaganda that has San Francisco in it's current "hands off" state. Does anyone prefer that in every city everywhere?
Well to be fair the article points out that the police aren't just racists ... that they are classists, too.
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#43>Areas with more police vehicle images included wealthy commercial zones and low-income neighborhoods with higher proportions of Black and Latino residents. Does this really surprise anyone? Lower income areas have more crime. I don't understand why race is a factor here.
It depends how you read that sentence. Race doesn't matter if "low-income neighborhoods with higher proportions of Black and Latino residents" is simply stating that all low income neighborhoods have higher proportions of Black and Latino residents. Although it's kind of relevant if all downstream bias in arrests etc, say, goes away when you control for income. But I read it as "of all low income neighborhoods, ones…
You were misled. From the paper: "we report racial and socioeconomic disparities without attempting to control for other covariates."
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#44Remember that the federal government is still of the opinion that NYPD is disproportionately targeting black people with its stop and frisk policy, today . That is, almost a decade after it was ruled unconstitutional in federal court. (Edit: "it" being stop & frisk as a whole, not just the targeting of minorities)
The big question is it because of their race or is it coincidental with the higher crime rate?
No. The big question is whether we want cops to be "randomly" stopping and frisking any people regardless of race/location. The idea that armed people are allowed to just accost people on the street to conduct cursory searches seems incompatible with basic liberties. It is a stone's throw from the "papers please" interaction that so many Americans loath. (I was about to say uniformed, but cops don't always wear uniforms these days.)
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#45>Areas with more police vehicle images included wealthy commercial zones and low-income neighborhoods with higher proportions of Black and Latino residents. Does this really surprise anyone? Lower income areas have more crime. I don't understand why race is a factor here.
Presumably because low income white neighborhoods did not receive the same treatment. At least that's the inference I drew.
You inferred wrong. From the paper: "we report racial and socioeconomic disparities without attempting to control for other covariates."
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#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
At least in Canada gas prices are available in Google Maps. IDK where this data comes from but I wonder if it is publicly available (or at least can be scraped from Google). It isn't 100% reliable but is very good, maybe 95% accurate?
Circa 2010 GasBuddy[0] was a pretty novel app for smartphones that allowed crowd-sourcing gas prices around you. I imagine OPIS[1] (now owned by News Corp), who acquired GasBuddy, or one of the other Price Reporting Agencies, is providing Google with this gas price information. 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GasBuddy 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_Price_Information_Service
I'd be surprised if it was crowd sourced. Even in fairly rural areas the prices of all stations are regularly updated. Crowd sourcing things like traffic data works as even a few people driving down a road can passively report data. It seems unlikely that manually entering gas data that changes daily would be sufficient to achieve such good coverage.
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#47I couldn't spot whether the paper normalize for dash-cam density. If one neighborhood has more dash-cams, is this paper over counting police cars in that neighborhood?
The paper covers this quite explicitly in sections 3 and 4.1.
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#48This is the kind of "policing is racist" kind of propaganda that has San Francisco in it's current "hands off" state. Does anyone prefer that in every city everywhere?
It's research, are we not allowed to research Police and report on the results? That stance seems anti science to me...
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#49This is the kind of "policing is racist" kind of propaganda that has San Francisco in it's current "hands off" state. Does anyone prefer that in every city everywhere?
All of these cities could learn something from San Francisco:
https://vanlifewanderer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/san_f...
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#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
The big question is it because of their race or is it coincidental with the higher crime rate?
No. The big question is whether we want cops to be "randomly" stopping and frisking any people regardless of race/location. The idea that armed people are allowed to just accost people on the street to conduct cursory searches seems incompatible with basic liberties. It is a stone's throw from the "papers please" interaction that so many Americans loath. (I was about to say uniformed, but cops don't always wear unifo…
Yea my apologies, my statement was ambiguously two-parted
Stop and frisk was ruled unconstitutional due to general shitting on the 4th amendment.
Separately, the federal government still claims that it's disproportionately targeting minorities (and that it's still occurring generally).
My vague recollection of the decade-ago ruling was that it didn't have any 14th amendment or w/e statements