I'm pro free speech and hate when people get cancelled for their beliefs. I don't think firing was appropriate based on the story told in the article, but also recommend not acting like the author. Not to avoid being fired but to follow the basic life rule "don't be a dick".
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#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
Agreed. Being technically right isnt the only thing which matters in an employer/employee context. They (the employee) represent the company
They’re not even technically right. Leave your edgy fursona (is that how they call it?) to your personal life.
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#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
Considering the previous tweet said "fuck you", yes it is an attack.
"Fuck you" has so many different tones, and is so ubiquitous. It can be playful, jocular, intense, deadly serious, all over the place. Fuck you is not, by default, a personal attack, imo. It's also almost certainly culturally different on different coasts, online, in person, etc. A tweet is like, nothing.
I find it very hard to believe that you are arguing in good faith at this point.
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#105> Being as I’m not an idiot Well, I'm afraid to say after reading this, I have to disagree. Common sense would have made me consider not posting an inflammatory tweet like that, to be perfectly honest.
Do you realize you are all reinforcing that business must come always first before personal expression? It is factual that one person was touting instruments of war, but by most comments here that’s seen as “the right” because it’s representing “business”. What you’re all saying implicitly is that the rights of a corporate employer to make money are always above the freedom to personal expression, by contract, by law…
If you have signed an employment contract, then it's perfectly normal to be required to restrict your personal opinions when you are representing your employer.
This isn't some dystopian concept. This is how grownups behave. You are welcome to be an edgelord on your own time anonymously.
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#106Nice read, thanks for sharing. It's interesting (to say the least) that they more or less used a "no talking about politics" clause to fire this woman, even though the other guy's statements about DoD weapons systems are certainly just as political. But he's an Air Force guy, she's a dissident, he's establishment, she's counterculture, so he got to push her out of a job for meeting him on his playing field, so to spe…
There is nothing political to say "If Kubernetes is good for DoD weapon* systems, it is definitely good enough for your business!".
I'm sure that every software engineer can think about complexities that DoD experience in their work with software. Some are highly technical in hard environments and with reliability requirements
* corrected, based on comment below
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#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
The key element is the poster was essentially _representing_ their employer at a tech conference. This would be no different than wearing the uniform of a supermarket and going on a political rant with a megaphone.
Genuine question, though (and not "asking just to make a rhetorical point because I've already decided on an answer"): is that really the case? I know the boilerplate "tweets do not represent the views of my employer" thing is a cliche at this point, but I always assumed it was at least partly true. If you're not tweeting directly from AcmeCORP's socials, wouldn't there be some understanding that you're not a direct…
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#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
You are allowed to discuss workplace conditions. That's like, protected concerted activity 101. If the business was uncomfortable with their treatment of their employees being public, maybe that activity wasn't ethical.
There's a difference between speaking publicly about workplace conditions and livetweeting the details of an individual conversation in a (likely) mocking tone. At that point, the only thing standing between you and being fired is whatever legal defense you can muster, because no reasonable person is going to want to work with you after that.
What's your source for the mocking tone? Is lizthegrey known for tweeting about hr proceedings in a moving tone?
Also, what is tweeting if not "speaking publicly"?
And what are workplace conditions if not "how I am disciplined at work"?
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#109> "Being as I’m not an idiot, I elect to bring a witness of my own (@lizthegrey ). She slightly livetweeted that conversation until VP VMware tells her to stop. " This, I think, is the point that caused the firing. It's pretty clear that if you choose a witness who then posts everything publicly that you are not discussing in good faith. Like, it's your right to speak your mind, and maybe you think you are in the mor…
You are allowed to discuss workplace conditions. That's like, protected concerted activity 101. If the business was uncomfortable with their treatment of their employees being public, maybe that activity wasn't ethical.
Bullshit. Bringing someone from outside a business to a conversation that "slightly livetweets" what is being said is totally not acceptable. I invite you to bring an outside party to your next business meeting, standup or all hands meeting and have them "slightly livetweet" it. You will find the door before the meeting ends.
Businesses have every right to some level of obscurity on what happens internally. There is a very clear difference between using a tape recorder or your smartphone to record a conversation (after clearly stating that you will do so!) and having someone without any relation to the company present and blurbing everything into the ether.
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#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
The key element is the poster was essentially _representing_ their employer at a tech conference. This would be no different than wearing the uniform of a supermarket and going on a political rant with a megaphone.
Genuine question, though (and not "asking just to make a rhetorical point because I've already decided on an answer"): is that really the case? I know the boilerplate "tweets do not represent the views of my employer" thing is a cliche at this point, but I always assumed it was at least partly true. If you're not tweeting directly from AcmeCORP's socials, wouldn't there be some understanding that you're not a direct…
It was literally written in 2nd sentence of the post
I was attending KubeCon on behalf of my then-employer, VMware.