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Re: Google un-bans Downloader app, but developer still mad about “broken” DMCA

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Post by mejutoco » Sat, Jun 10, 2023, 9:42 AM UTC

Jalad wrote: post #87

mejutoco wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The comparison would be IMO more accurate if there were only 2 employers in the world.

That still doesn't change the underlying mechanics of the analogy though. It doesn't matter how many employers there are, if the worst case scenario is that you end up where you are now (jobless / no app) The analogy would be more accurate if you could end up in a worse off position by taking the job / making the app, say through lost development time with no payoff

In an scenario with 2 employers, even ignoring market dynamics of an oligopoly/monopoly, once you are rejected by them you have nothing to lose.

The risk of your app being banned when there is only 2 marketplaces is way way higher than the risk of being laid off when there are many more companies.

IMO OPs argument breaks when they equate a bit of risk to a lot of risk, as if any risk amount were the same as any other.

Re: Google un-bans Downloader app, but developer still mad about “broken” DMCA

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Post by wkat4242 » Sat, Jun 10, 2023, 3:16 PM UTC

DeathArrow wrote: post #30

Governments should demand open app stores for Android and iOS.

100% agree but it won't fix this problem, which was also introduced by the government.

Re: Google un-bans Downloader app, but developer still mad about “broken” DMCA

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Post by datadeft » Sun, Jun 11, 2023, 7:43 PM UTC

the_pwner224 wrote: post #60

datadeft wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is exactly the reason I would have never considered to build any apps. I have had couple of ideas but the risk is to big that a faceless corporation is going cancel your business without any reason and visibility.

Google can also take your website out of their search results, or derank you a lot. That would effectively be a death penalty for many online businesses.

I do not rely on google/facebook for any incoming revenue at all either.

Re: Google un-bans Downloader app, but developer still mad about “broken” DMCA

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Post by kwanbix » Mon, Jun 12, 2023, 2:24 PM UTC

OkayPhysicist wrote: post #82

kwanbix wrote: post #40

Companies that send DMCA takedowns should be financialy liable for fake/wrong ones. That way, they will take more time to think it trough.

They already are. You're given all the details of the DMCA claimant in the DMCA claim itself, so that you can sue them.

I mean that you don't need to sue them.

There should be some sort of jury (to call it something) that is not as expensive/slow as a trial.

Re: Google un-bans Downloader app, but developer still mad about “broken” DMCA

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Post by cultureswitch » Tue, Jun 13, 2023, 8:41 AM UTC

PaulKeeble wrote: post #3

Its more that Google's implementation of the DMCA is broken. They have automated take downs and have a completely broken appeal process. They certainly aren't the only company failing to deal with the DMCA correctly. There are clauses in the DMCA specifically targetted at false claims, if those were enforced we might start to see a change in the system but as is the DMCA is misused too often.

The DMCA as a law is horribly written. The law is the reason why companies like Google behave the way they do. Change the law to something less retarded and there's a chance fewer problems will occur.